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Old 06-12-2011, 11:43 PM   #1
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Hey Guys,

Just completed a metal roofing project... Making up the list of items we supplied to charge back to the builder. Contract was for labor only. Builder to supply all materials.

Things I had to buy to use on the project...

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3 Cutoff Blades For Saw

I find the cut off blades to be a "Grey area" of materials. Yes they were used on his project...like the staples and what not, But can I successfully include it as a charge back, Or should I just eat the cost on them?

Normally my contracts are labor and materials and I have a section for misc when I do my bid calculations that accounts for this sort of thing, which didn't get used b/c I was supply labor only on this project.

What do you guys think... Chargeable or cost of doing business?
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Old 06-12-2011, 11:52 PM   #2
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I think that stuff would fall into the cost of doing business.

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I would think any materials needed to complete the installation like caulk, staples and most certainly any extra metal you needed.... are chargeable. Your saw blades IMHO, are not.

The thing is, you should have covered this with the builder prior to finalizing your quote. Have a defined set of guidelines on exactly what you are to do, are responsible for, and what you're not. Doing a job or signing a contract with a builder is no different than signing a contract with a homeowner. Like you mentioned, you have those clauses covered in your contract with the homeowner, why not the builder too?

Now, the whole thing is a fuzzy grey area or you wouldn't even be posing the question. Personally, if it were me.... I would give the builder a detailed list of the extras involved (sans the saw blades), and let him know that you will cover it this time since no mention was made of these types of material extras prior to the job starting. But, future jobs, if bid as "labor only," will be exactly that.

Now, if he's an honest guy that cares about having you around for future jobs, he'll probably cut you a check and thank you for completing the job on time without stopping and calling for him to bring you caulk while he was in the middle of something else. If he doesn't, well call it a lesson learned.
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Any extra materials in order to complete the job should be charged. I always provide a receipt and a trip charge when I send the invoice. I lost a few guys who gave me work doing that but I'm not a charity.

The saw blades (tools&equipment) should be your expense.
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Meh, Good enough. I had a feeling that would be the norm. I definalty would fight tooth and nail to have caulk and extra metal covered. Builder didn't want to pay for blades more than I didn't , so ended up just sucking it up, not a big deal anyway. Just wanted to hear what the concensus was on consumable's out there.
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everything but the blades I would charge for.
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My thoughts would be anything you can not walk away from the site with. If he was supposed to supply material than hopefully, he understands your not going to run accross town or call him for a case of caulking. People may think you a nickel and diming them for charging them for small materials, but no one gives you a break on them.
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Staples and caulk were his responsibility if you provided LABOR only. Blades are grey area since they are more equipment. I'd probably absorb the blades, but would certainly charge for caulk and staples which are materials.

Then again if the builder provided blades, but not enough, I would consider charging for the blades. Again gray area.
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I'd just mention it to the builder so you're set for next time. If it's a sizable amount, then maybe he'll work with you on this one too. Doesn't hurt to bring it up.

How much we talking about here and on what $ size project? (besides blades, etc.)
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I'd figure a case of caulk, the good kind is $60 and staples $10, and time etc... I see no reason to eat $100. $100 is a week's worth of lunches. If the contract said all materials, that's all material.

For example I tell my subs I will provide all materials. Then I don't always provide all materials except fasteners. Why not fasteners? Because on a shingle roof, let's say we have a 22 square roof, well I need to order two boxes but really only like 1.25 boxes are needed. I'll never see my .75 box back. Instead I figure to add $x per square for nails and they can keep track of the partial boses. I don't supply caulk for the same reason. Buy 5 tubes and they use 3, where's my 2 tubes. it doesn't seem like alot but lose $50 on every job will start to add up.

What's the point? The point is I reimburse for caulk and trim coil and things of that nature. But we have an upfront agreement. When I said I will supply all material but fasteners they can charge me for what ever material they supply. The key is communication. In this case there was no communication, or inadequate communication at least.

pesonally if I were in your shoes I would have had the conersation before I left the job. "hey I need a case of caulk and a box of staples. What time can you have them here? Oh I can go get them I'll just add them to the invoice for ya and save you some time." chances are liklely I'd have them on my truck already anyways since I have cases of caulk in my storage and miscellaneous tubes on each truck.
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I'd figure a case of caulk, the good kind is $60 and staples $10, and time etc... I see no reason to eat $100. $100 is a week's worth of lunches..................
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no just inflation...

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