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Old 06-26-2020, 09:02 PM   #21
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He hit her with the "I don't want this little POS job" price

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That's exactly why they need a different roofer.

I dont get why some of you guys have a case of the azz pver screwong the osb...

It just don't take that long...

You guys never deal with job specs???
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:06 PM   #22
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That's exactly why they need a different roofer.



I dont get why some of you guys have a case of the azz pver screwong the osb...



It just don't take that long...



You guys never deal with job specs???
Because after tearing them off and installing them for 17 years I can assure you ring shanks shot to 1x.....especially old stuff hold etremely well. The old 1x also holds roofing nails FAR better than plywood or osb

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This guy wants preimed and PVC coated osb edges....come on.

And to top it all off he isn't willing to pay for it

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Because after tearing them off and installing them for 17 years I can assure you ring shanks shot to 1x.....especially old stuff hold etremely well. The old 1x also holds roofing nails FAR better than plywood or osb

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This guy wants pres and PVC coated osb edges....come on.

And to top it all off he isn't willing to pay for it

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specs are not usually negotiable...

however, on this little residential job some good client education is likely in order and may help resolve some of the budget issues.

i've just dealt with specific job specs perhaps longer than some of you are old...

just stuff i have learned to deal with....
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specs are not usually negotiable...



however, on this little residential job some good client education is likely in order and may help resolve some of the budget issues.



i've just dealt with specific job specs perhaps longer than some of you are old...



just stuff i have learned to deal with....
I hear what you are saying Griz, specs don't even usually get brought up in the conversation unless we are doing commercial flat. That's where this type of stuff matters.

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Never seen it on roofing, but I have seen it on a steel deck.

You can spec something out so that no one will build it.

If an experienced roofer says no one is going to do that, he's probably right.
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He hit her with the "I don't want this little POS job" price

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Anytime I tried that maneuver in the past I wound up getting the job.
Now I just pass on POS jobs.
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And, the first roofer she talked to told her I was crazy, and theres no way that any roofer would do what I asked. Also wanted way too much money, which p***ed me off no end

Did you guys miss the part where he complained about the price? Custom work requires an upcharge that many are unwilling to pay. You can't ask for extra's while refusing to pay for the basics.
No, I didn't miss it.

I read that a roofer stated some pretty basic stuff was "crazy, and no roofer would do it".

That makes me think that maybe the roofer is an idiot, and he should call another one.

I don't know "carpenter mark", or how much the bid was for, or what he thinks is too much money. But if someone tells me something can't be done, no one will do it, then gives me a high bid to not do what I want done, he's gonna get told to take a hike.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but all I have to go on is what he posted.

As far as the screws, yes, it's goofy and unnecessary. I told him that. Roofer should educate him, pass on the work, or do what he's asked and charge accordingly.
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Well,well, well, my my my..........interesting replies, and a few peckerheads thrown in too....
Let's see, starting from the beginning.....

Biggest bitch I see here is screwing the ends of the OSB down- early on someone pointed out that they will do it when replacing a wood shake roof with fiberglass, and re sheathing. I was saying to do so because the ends of the sheets would fall 4" short of a rafter unless cut to 80". So to avoid cutting EVERY SHEET, screw the "floating" edge down to the random width (and most likely, thicker than 3/4") sheathing... and FWIW to you crybabies out there, its only 1 joint per course that needs to be done this way, that roof section is only 15'- 9" long. Ring shank nails can back up a little with seasonal movement if they're nailed through, so screws it is. And I've modified a bit here, decided we'd go with CDX.
[I]I did exactly the above on my own roof a few years ago when I tore off my cedar roof and re sheathed it. The reason I let a few sheets fall off the rafters was coverage- I have 12" gable overhangs, 7 valleys and 3 hips and had enough cutting to do, working by myself. Screws spaced 5-6" on the edge into 3/4" skip sheathing held the CDX down pretty tight IMO
Ring shanks instead of 8d galvanized ? Fine. Since I mostly drive my nails by hand, I prefer a heavier shanked nail. By HAND? Yes babies- I KNOW when every nail nits and the sheathing is down tight.

#30 felt? Yeah. Because I don't nail or staple the crap out of it, I don't get the wrinkles you whine about. Theres a method to putting it down smooth and weathertight that I won't get into here. My inclination is that the synthetics aren't any better, except for the roofer's convenience. Fine, use it.

GAF shingles?. Eh, they're what a lot of people use around here. I've since come to find out that CertainTeed has better warranty coverage, heavier weight, so thats whats going up, getting put down.
In my experience, the only GAF failures around here that were not material failures-( i.e granuals coming off)- were due to poor installation- not enough or missplaced nails, or nails not down enough or punched through. Keep those nail guns flyin' guys..........

Lesseee, what else? Oh yeah-hey, A&E can you read? I stated to put up a PVC rake moulding to cover the ends of the over sheathing that will be over the top of than the existing rakes. Aluminum rake edge is bullchit. And yeah, I think priming the edge under the moulding is a good idea. And since it seems to be SO hard to understand, I'll probably have to do it. And its because Im the kind of SUPERVISING assh**le that after 40 yrs of being a carpenter wouldn't qualify you to carry my tools. Ok, palie?

And yes- I felt that $12,600. was too much for a single story, 12 square roof. the guy was pissed because I removed the chance for slush- "Oh gee Ma'am, we found that XYZ needs to be done so we've got to get extra $. Too bad, mutt
I write specs because every competitive professional will know whats required and expected in a quote. Working as a job super for the past 15 yrs or so requires it.

I'm a reasonable guy, got two more reasonable quotes from real roofers, took their suggestions on some things, they agreed to some of mine but it was clear between all that we'd get a good job. No bitching about it from crybabies.
Thing is, roofing of this type is next to dead simple.....

Thanks to the advice from Grizz, Seven Delta Forty One, Mr Latone, Bull Trout, OnMyWayUp, Rio, Ken360, Austin, Builditguy, AdamtheBuilder, Big Johnson
The rest (and you know who you are)? Stay outta my neighborhood, ok kiddies?
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Well,well, well, my my my..........interesting replies, and a few peckerheads thrown in too....

Let's see, starting from the beginning.....



Biggest bitch I see here is screwing the ends of the OSB down- early on someone pointed out that they will do it when replacing a wood shake roof with fiberglass, and re sheathing. I was saying to do so because the ends of the sheets would fall 4" short of a rafter unless cut to 80". So to avoid cutting EVERY SHEET, screw the "floating" edge down to the random width (and most likely, thicker than 3/4") sheathing... and FWIW to you crybabies out there, its only 1 joint per course that needs to be done this way, that roof section is only 15'- 9" long. Ring shank nails can back up a little with seasonal movement if they're nailed through, so screws it is. And I've modified a bit here, decided we'd go with CDX.

[I]I did exactly the above on my own roof a few years ago when I tore off my cedar roof and re sheathed it. The reason I let a few sheets fall off the rafters was coverage- I have 12" gable overhangs, 7 valleys and 3 hips and had enough cutting to do, working by myself. Screws spaced 5-6" on the edge into 3/4" skip sheathing held the CDX down pretty tight IMO

Ring shanks instead of 8d galvanized ? Fine. Since I mostly drive my nails by hand, I prefer a heavier shanked nail. By HAND? Yes babies- I KNOW when every nail nits and the sheathing is down tight.



#30 felt? Yeah. Because I don't nail or staple the crap out of it, I don't get the wrinkles you whine about. Theres a method to putting it down smooth and weathertight that I won't get into here. My inclination is that the synthetics aren't any better, except for the roofer's convenience. Fine, use it.



GAF shingles?. Eh, they're what a lot of people use around here. I've since come to find out that CertainTeed has better warranty coverage, heavier weight, so thats whats going up, getting put down.

In my experience, the only GAF failures around here that were not material failures-( i.e granuals coming off)- were due to poor installation- not enough or missplaced nails, or nails not down enough or punched through. Keep those nail guns flyin' guys..........



Lesseee, what else? Oh yeah-hey, A&E can you read? I stated to put up a PVC rake moulding to cover the ends of the over sheathing that will be over the top of than the existing rakes. Aluminum rake edge is bullchit. And yeah, I think priming the edge under the moulding is a good idea. And since it seems to be SO hard to understand, I'll probably have to do it. And its because Im the kind of SUPERVISING assh**le that after 40 yrs of being a carpenter wouldn't qualify you to carry my tools. Ok, palie?



And yes- I felt that $12,600. was too much for a single story, 12 square roof. the guy was pissed because I removed the chance for slush- "Oh gee Ma'am, we found that XYZ needs to be done so we've got to get extra $. Too bad, mutt

I write specs because every competitive professional will know whats required and expected in a quote. Working as a job super for the past 15 yrs or so requires it.



I'm a reasonable guy, got two more reasonable quotes from real roofers, took their suggestions on some things, they agreed to some of mine but it was clear between all that we'd get a good job. No bitching about it from crybabies.

Thing is, roofing of this type is next to dead simple.....



Thanks to the advice from Grizz, Seven Delta Forty One, Mr Latone, Bull Trout, OnMyWayUp, Rio, Ken360, Austin, Builditguy, AdamtheBuilder, Big Johnson

The rest (and you know who you are)? Stay outta my neighborhood, ok kiddies?
You do know they make 9' sheets right?

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Well,well, well, my my my..........interesting replies, and a few peckerheads thrown in too....

Let's see, starting from the beginning.....



Biggest bitch I see here is screwing the ends of the OSB down- early on someone pointed out that they will do it when replacing a wood shake roof with fiberglass, and re sheathing. I was saying to do so because the ends of the sheets would fall 4" short of a rafter unless cut to 80". So to avoid cutting EVERY SHEET, screw the "floating" edge down to the random width (and most likely, thicker than 3/4") sheathing... and FWIW to you crybabies out there, its only 1 joint per course that needs to be done this way, that roof section is only 15'- 9" long. Ring shank nails can back up a little with seasonal movement if they're nailed through, so screws it is. And I've modified a bit here, decided we'd go with CDX.

[I]I did exactly the above on my own roof a few years ago when I tore off my cedar roof and re sheathed it. The reason I let a few sheets fall off the rafters was coverage- I have 12" gable overhangs, 7 valleys and 3 hips and had enough cutting to do, working by myself. Screws spaced 5-6" on the edge into 3/4" skip sheathing held the CDX down pretty tight IMO

Ring shanks instead of 8d galvanized ? Fine. Since I mostly drive my nails by hand, I prefer a heavier shanked nail. By HAND? Yes babies- I KNOW when every nail nits and the sheathing is down tight.



#30 felt? Yeah. Because I don't nail or staple the crap out of it, I don't get the wrinkles you whine about. Theres a method to putting it down smooth and weathertight that I won't get into here. My inclination is that the synthetics aren't any better, except for the roofer's convenience. Fine, use it.



GAF shingles?. Eh, they're what a lot of people use around here. I've since come to find out that CertainTeed has better warranty coverage, heavier weight, so thats whats going up, getting put down.

In my experience, the only GAF failures around here that were not material failures-( i.e granuals coming off)- were due to poor installation- not enough or missplaced nails, or nails not down enough or punched through. Keep those nail guns flyin' guys..........



Lesseee, what else? Oh yeah-hey, A&E can you read? I stated to put up a PVC rake moulding to cover the ends of the over sheathing that will be over the top of than the existing rakes. Aluminum rake edge is bullchit. And yeah, I think priming the edge under the moulding is a good idea. And since it seems to be SO hard to understand, I'll probably have to do it. And its because Im the kind of SUPERVISING assh**le that after 40 yrs of being a carpenter wouldn't qualify you to carry my tools. Ok, palie?



And yes- I felt that $12,600. was too much for a single story, 12 square roof. the guy was pissed because I removed the chance for slush- "Oh gee Ma'am, we found that XYZ needs to be done so we've got to get extra $. Too bad, mutt

I write specs because every competitive professional will know whats required and expected in a quote. Working as a job super for the past 15 yrs or so requires it.



I'm a reasonable guy, got two more reasonable quotes from real roofers, took their suggestions on some things, they agreed to some of mine but it was clear between all that we'd get a good job. No bitching about it from crybabies.

Thing is, roofing of this type is next to dead simple.....



Thanks to the advice from Grizz, Seven Delta Forty One, Mr Latone, Bull Trout, OnMyWayUp, Rio, Ken360, Austin, Builditguy, AdamtheBuilder, Big Johnson

The rest (and you know who you are)? Stay outta my neighborhood, ok kiddies?
I'll tell you somethig else jack....

I've been Installing roofs for 17-18 years and nobody puts a better one down than I do. That's a fact. I install roofs for several members of this site and am the resident roofing expert.


You are over the top with what you want done and an obvious pain in the ass customer I wouldn't deal with anyway. I just did a roof for a micro managing ass hole like you about a month ago.....guess who called today and wants me to do another one.

A Ring Shank isn't backing out of barnwood and that's a fact.




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