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Old 03-11-2019, 09:51 PM   #1
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Adjuster Said It Was Too Cold For Brittle Test?


Had to deal with an allstate adjuster today for wind damage on a roof. Roof probably 15 years old. Only approved repairs, even though shingles failed the brittle test and cracked. They should have bought the whole roof. Instead, he said it doesnt matter because the brittle test only counts if its warmer than 50 degrees. Anyone dealt with this before? Any good tips to handle allstate with this matter?
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:28 PM   #2
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not aware of an astm test for "brittleness".

sort of an individual's opinion.

read this & see if it helps:

https://haageducation.com/june-2018-blog-post/

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Pour seventy degree water over shingle to tested, wipe damp dry, use laser pointer thermometer to insure shingle is over 50 degrees.... break off a large piece to shove in .........

Call Allstate supervisor for check list so you can comply with their needs.

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Change insurers, add an Allstate up-charge for any work on their clients homes?
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Why should they have bought the whole roof? Hail or wind damage? Do you have pictures?

You can always claim the roof is non repairble due to the condition of the shingles but you're going to have to take it to appraisal because Allstate's supervisors back up their adjuster's.
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"That's Allstate's stand."
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not aware of an astm test for "brittleness".

sort of an individual's opinion.

read this & see if it helps:

https://haageducation.com/june-2018-blog-post/
Hey Griz,

I like the biased nature of that Haag Letter. Geez!!!

I have the ASTM, UL and DOD Brittleness Testing Protocols.

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Unvented or plugged roof vents = Higher shingle temps = faster evaporation of asphalt = sooner brittle shingle as the lighter asphalt compounds take plasticity with them.....

Well vented roofs last years longer then poorly/unvented asphalt shingles, Steeper = cooler = longer life cycle.

Thicker asphalt underlayment, tar Paper will add a few years as the asphalt compounds migrate to the atmosphere, use of quality heavey Permiable (I have seen overtarred paper(1930s era) create a vapour barrier, creating issues) tar paper adds years of life to asphalt shingles
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And to address the current trend of spray foaming the roof decks? Uh huh.

https://www.buildingscience.com/docu...r-all-climates

This is what we are doing now in all but basic builds.
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I wouldn't recommend using Asphalt shingles over a expanded foam insulated roof diaphragm. As the shingles will get hotter and not last as long a roof assembly with cooling air flow on both sides...

I'd suggest Metal or slate/ceramic tiles that could last trough the greater daily Delta Temperature cycles and the greater Max temps.

IMHO.

Great care must be used creating living spaces with near Zero air changes. Formerly tolerable exposures to low levels and short time events turn into life threatening hazards in a near hermetically sealed home or other building.

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Unwise use of insulation foams can cause a unhealthy or even deadly space, even without a high temperature Toxic smoke event like the London Housing high rise Fire, ~50 dead

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