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Old 09-05-2012, 01:47 PM   #41
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Btw, it takes a big man to stand up to the status quo. I heard it all the time when I moved back to Maine. I explained it, I showed them....still they lay it flat. Whatever.

They also strap ceilings here. Everyone. Does that make it the correct way to build when 95% of the us does not?

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:47 PM   #42
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Well you can call and tell the engineer he engineered them wrong then.
I don't need to talk to your engineer. You should want to learn everything about your trade and exceed the standard.

I'm not trying to bust your chops.

This topic kills me.

We framers are building structures that need to be the most sound and solid as possible. We can't allow the ignorance of an engineer who says you don't have to nail panel edges to lower our standards.

I used to be an "average" framer as an employee learning these things in Texas........then when I started my own business I wanted to be exceptional at framing. Once I moved to WA state, I found that they took codes and structure way more serious than I had become used to............I changed my entire outlook.

I built every structure like I wanted to live in it as my own. And I wanted it to last a hundred years too.

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Your first and second floor must have been mechanically attached by metal then? We often used Simpson strapping in addition to plywood to connect the two floors.

If wall panels were sent, then it was a Simpson-fest only.

If the walls were stick framed, we could frame two of more stories and then sheathe continuously upward. That would tie the first and second floors together.

In Ocean Shores we were faced with a 120 MPH wind load code plus a west coast seismic zone. It was metal and ply in some Frankensteinian compilation.
I frame all my houses with sheets overlapping from first to second floor. What I am asking is how you sheet a house with 9' walls, 16" floor, and another set of 9' walls for the 2nd storey. If you are saying all your 2 storey houses are balloon framed then we are talking about 2 different things.

And as far as seismic loads and 120mph winds go, that is not something we nerd time worry about in Alberta.
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I'm not disagreeing with anyone,

But we have over 4 million in this province with massive residential construction.

There must be a reason why absolutely everyone does it the same way.

Evidenced by the inspector even failing the work
Did you ever hear the story of the woman who always cut the end off of her roast before she cooked it? When asked why she did it she replied that it was what her mother did so she had just followed suit. When her mother was asked why she cut the end off of the roast she replied that it was because her pan was too small for the roast to fit.
"There must be a reason why everyone does it" is not a reason. I haven't been able to find one publication refering specifically to wall sheathing that requires horizontal placement.
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I frame all my houses with sheets overlapping from first to second floor. What I am asking is how you sheet a house with 9' walls, 16" floor, and another set of 9' walls for the 2nd storey. If you are saying all your 2 storey houses are balloon framed then we are talking about 2 different things.

And as far as seismic loads and 120mph winds go, that is not something we nerd time worry about in Alberta.
I'll CAD a section. BRB

and no to balloon framing. Too much work to fire block all the cavities spanning one floor to the next.
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Framers here don't order material, at least not when framing for builders.


Honestly though, I would bet it would take weeks to get 9' osb.

I've never seen it anywhere.
I used to do courier work for lumber yards, and they definitely don't stock it
Weyerhaeurser in Edmonton was producing it but stopped because of low sales. Most producers still ship 9' to the U.S.
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What did the builder say?
Builder says he doesn't care how its done as long as it passes.
If I felt I was wrong I would eat it and tear all the sheathing off but I'm not; and as Grandma use to say "Right is might!"
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My first choice would be to order 10' plywood. And if all my future homes were going to be 9/9 I'd get the lumber yard man to start to stock it.

Then it depends if you sheathe after framing or as panels. That will dictate where the sheathing seams will break.

We always are directed by engineering to mechanically connect the floors. This is by spec'd strapping or some form of hold down system. This is in addition to the sheathing. I will try and find a wall section I did that had continuous all-thread from the slab to the top of the 5th floor with self tightening connectors at the top.
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They also strap ceilings here. Everyone. Does that make it the correct way to build when 95% of the us does not?


We still strap ceilings, too......
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I have done it every way and the wall gets locked up no matter what you do. Latly we've been putting 2 sheets of 3/4 ply on the corner only, locks up the whole wall
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Have always done it vertical or parallel. We always sheath from mud sill to top plate across floor systems. We will run horizontal if it's a garage door wall. Then we run from top down across all the headers and block edges.
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We still strap ceilings, too......
I know..... I know... Crazy isn't it? I've seen one home that actually shimmed the strapping so the ceiling was flat. That's about the only reason I can see for doing it. Mostly it is because "that's the way I was taught"

I do have a confession....I strapped my shop ceiling I have my reasons.
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I know..... I know... Crazy isn't it? I've seen one home that actually shimmed the strapping so the ceiling was flat. That's about the only reason I can see for doing it. Mostly it is because "that's the way I was taught"

I do have a confession....I strapped my shop ceiling I have my reasons.
I actually kind of like it.... We'll leave all non bearing interior walls out, so we can strap straight through. Then once the roof is on, and shingled, we have 2 or 3 days worth of inside work if it rains.
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I've seen it done both ways in my 40 yrs out there. My home is vertical on second floor with 9' sheets.
When I replaced some siding after the Hurricanes a few yrs ago no one carried 9' material. You would have to order a train car load to get it.

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We have to have a vertical sheet within 12' from a corner and 1 every (think its 24') then we are allowed to run the sheets horizontally.

we normally sheet the entire wall vertically and not worry about where we need blocking, ect. Continuous wall sheeting method.

Inspectors here are picky about it. Garages need to be at least 27" wide on each side of the garage door.
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here is a detail sheet I made a few years back.
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Nice detail wallmaxx. Am I reading it wrong? I see hold downs at grade and then at the 2nd floor, but nothing above. Doesn't look continuous to the 5th. What am I missing? How often do the HDs occur?

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I actually kind of like it.... We'll leave all non bearing interior walls out, so we can strap straight through. Then once the roof is on, and shingled, we have 2 or 3 days worth of inside work if it rains.
That's the norm here too Brutus.

I hate going into a reto job and there is no strapping to fish my wires through.
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Nice detail wallmaxx. Am I reading it wrong? I see hold downs at grade and then at the 2nd floor, but nothing above. Doesn't look continuous to the 5th. What am I missing? How often do the HDs occur?
Yeah. This is a typical 2 story one..........I don't know if I can find the plans for the Ocean Shores condo project.
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The amount of hold downs is related to the amount bracing needed or lack of bracing provided in a wall from sheathing. Another trigger is the size of an eave and the uplift force it can see in a high wind area, then the hold down goes through the building down to the foundation.

Big window openings at the corner of a building is an area. A better example would be big garage door openings in detached structures.

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