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Old 12-17-2009, 07:39 PM   #201
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Tim, Dont know if this will help you but a lot of times I will extend a ridge temporarily to tie it into a hip or common rafter, then cut it off later. It helps to keep them in correct alignment, and also works as a brace. This way, I dont have to figure the ridge lengths exact either. I will run them long, then after rafters are tied in and roof lines are established, I can cut them off. I also do a lot of the string method. I figure most of the easy stick using math, but some of the wild, weird, wondrous roof lines, I prefer to string through and measure.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:44 PM   #202
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Warren,

That is where I'm at. What I don't trust is where the ridges are centered. I usually let the rafters to do that but I can't get any rafters in temporarily to lock that ridge in so I can use the string.

I had to send back and reorder the hips for the left side of the house because they were cupped and I'm not about to deal with that. That can be a huge hassle. I don't know if they will be out tomorrow or not. What I'd like to do is frame the left side of the roof. We'll have to frame ceiling joists across at that tall wall height for no other reason than to put sheathing there to stage off of.

That'll lock in that side. I'll probably frame that tomrrow and lock that end of the ridge in with the king commons. Then drop the hips in when I get them. Then work back over to center. From there I can plane and make sure the other end of that upper ridge in in the right spot, then install the broken hips.

At least it was dry today.
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Aint it fun Tim? Seems like on those roofs, you start out the day thinking you know where to begin, then find out a different approach is needed. OK I'm gonna start the great room, wait first I gotta do the Kitchen, No the Hearth room has to be set first!

We are doing a real easy 6/12 hip truss system right now. Its like cruise control for us. I did bid a crazy 24x32 post and beam gazebo job the other day that has some crazy details. Hope we can do it in better weather though.
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I like using Warrens method letting the ridges run wild! Seems to help get things lined out and then you can put in all the broken hips and regular hips/valley's. Looks like you're doing a fine job though.

Usually I double my hips and valley's and rip the bevel on them. Makes it nice to sheet..Maybe i'm crazy..
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I like using Warrens method letting the ridges run wild! Seems to help get things lined out and then you can put in all the broken hips and regular hips/valley's. Looks like you're doing a fine job though.

Usually I double my hips and valley's and rip the bevel on them. Makes it nice to sheet..Maybe i'm crazy..
Yeah that is a little crazy. I usually only double hips when engineering calls for it. Often I will double some valleys, as it is a pain to break plywood exactly on the center and nail it without coming out the side. Beveling while definitely unnecessary, probably would be slightly better to nail on. Different strokes for different folks.
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I love doing custom framing. Ironically one of the worst (due to the prints being bad) was my own house.
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I've got the ridges all set, but it is hard to make sure they are locked into the right spot. What I would do next time is snap it all out and set them plumb over the lines.

I need to get the upper ridge locked in, to put the broken hip in. I also need to move the double valley in the previous post to make it plane better.

Anyone have any ideas? how to get that cluster put together?

Tim,

To set the tallest Ridge I would build on pitch knee-walls on the orange Highlighted walls. Cut permanent rafters that go from those walls to the ridge That is the easiest way to get that ridge locked into position. It will require that a couple of the overlapping valleys are lay-downs as needed over the roof planes that are created by the short rafters to the main ridge.

On the broken hip end of the main ridge I drew some highlighted lines. The three red lines are equal in length and represent the run of the King Cripple (Thick Red). The two green lines are also equal in length and represent the broken hips length in plan-view. Once you have the broken hip calcíd and cut, set it on top of the valley, as shown, and use it to make the layout mark for the King Cripple on the Valley.

If the roof is perfect then this will put everything in perfect order. Itís not likely perfect but it might be, It might need a little massage or it might need some Knucklehead tech applied.

If you want to talk to me, send me a pm with your phone number and Iíll call you. It might be more productive to talk. If not, good luck with whatever you choose to do. I hope that helps.

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To set the tallest Ridge I would build on pitch knee-walls on the orange Highlighted walls. Cut permanent rafters that go from those walls to the ridge That is the easiest way to get that ridge locked into position. It will require that a couple of the overlapping valleys are lay-downs as needed over the roof planes that are created by the short rafters to the main ridge.

On the broken hip end of the main ridge I drew some highlighted lines. The three red lines are equal in length and represent the run of the King Cripple (Thick Red). The two green lines are also equal in length and represent the broken hips length in plan-view. Once you have the broken hip calcíd and cut, set it on top of the valley, as shown, and use it to make the layout mark for the King Cripple on the Valley.

If the roof is perfect then this will put everything in perfect order. Itís not likely perfect but it might be, It might need a little massage or it might need some Knucklehead tech applied.

If you want to talk to me, send me a pm with your phone number and Iíll call you. It might be more productive to talk. If not, good luck with whatever you choose to do. I hope that helps.

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You are the man!!

I had thought about building the pitch walls, but just in the front to set a temp rafter. That is the last thing I said before we quit.

I hadn't understood how to get that king jack before, I will try that. I'd call you and talk but I have to leave here in a bit, but thank you for your post, that has got the brain working again
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Tim,

It's not a bad idea to snap out some lines on the deck to reference the roof framing off of, especially on cut-up roofs like the one you're doing. Sometimes all that is needed is a couple of reference points that you can set your laser on. That laser on the floor can help locate the ridge cut-offs as well as help laying out the hip and valleys for rafter locations.

I can't really add on to anything here, Richard seams to have hit the nail on the head.
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Tim,

Here are some additional general thoughts;

And another edit pic of how I might have approached the roof frame layout youíre building. Just other ways to skin a kitten. That larger dead valley diverter roof in the rear doesnít need all three roofs built under it for instance. I added some hypothetical layouts to demonstrate the overlays and K-walls.

I like to use knee-walls and overlay valleys. They can be helpful to get things up in the right spot quickly as well as alternate method beneficial to some ceiling designs by keeping the typical valley out of the picture. Sometimes they eliminate some bracing too.

Hey man, hope you get good working weather tomorrow and keep posting pics. Everything looks great from my house!

Oh, yeah, I agree with John K. that sometimes the plan-view roof layout on the deck is very helpful. I might have to breakdown and get a laser after that last tip he posted.
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Today worked out pretty well. I just ignored the menagerie and we put in ceiling joists across the master to stage off of. Just as we finished, our new LVLs showed up for the hips so we cut and set those. While the guys took lunch I cut the jacks for that side and we installed them and called it a day about 3.

We had some 28' Doug Fir stock and some KD 26' to make the long jacks in the back. Monday, I'll use that plane to lock in the other end of the ridge and we should be able to get the broken hips in and fill in. I'm hopeful that we'll start sheathing Wed.





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A short clip setting the long jacks over the master bedroom from Friday.

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Can I ask where you got those gun hooks for your Max's. I have the regular guns (non high pressure) and have never found a good hook I liked.
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Looking good tim Its nice to see a good crew working together, it looks like they acctually care about what they are doing Not like a lot of other guys I have seen around here.



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Tim's goin' Hollywood!

One question, your lower guy doesn't nail the rafter off to the plate as you go?

The guy in the gray shirt, I have the same nailbags, the green Occidentals. Mine are toast though, they have been used way too much.

LOL, I heard "you're gonna **** it up"
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Can I ask where you got those gun hooks for your Max's. I have the regular guns (non high pressure) and have never found a good hook I liked.
We had a machine shop make them. I'll get a better picture. There was a miscommunication and they are too wide, but work well enough. Its just a 1" wide peice of metal that has 2 90's for about 1 1/2" and are rounded off.
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One question, your lower guy doesn't nail the rafter off to the plate as you go?

The guy in the gray shirt, I have the same nailbags, the green Occidentals. Mine are toast though, they have been used way too much.

LOL, I heard "you're gonna **** it up"
No he said "suck it up". I'm always telling the guys suck it up, dig deep, I can do it, so you should be able to I say it as a joke, but often enough to irritate them.

We didn't nail them off, we'll do that at the plate as we block. I would nail a couple if to keep the hip straight but they already did that and kept the hip straight when they put the jacks on the other side.
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We had a dry day today and this week looks like a chance of rain tomorrow and then drying out. We finished the framing on the backside today and moved to the menagerie in the front. The broken hip is in and we are to the middle left gable in the front. I didn't get decent pictures because it is way up there, but tomorrow I think we'll have it all framed in and then Wed we'll block, hang subfascia and fascia and start sheathing.




The front bedroom is a cathedral ceiling so we framed it through and will just over frame the valley before sheathing.





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