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Old 02-24-2009, 09:39 AM   #21
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Wallmaxx, nice manual!

Grammatical error I found (to help your finished product be correct, not to bust yer balls)

p. 41 reads "or evenly spacing them if more than 3 is being installed."

change is to are...

Again, very well explained. Fine contribution to the forum, man!

Mac

ETA: the tip about installing fireblocking first so that all wood to wood surfaces get glued up is smart thinking...just makes the structure that much more monolithic and locked together.
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Proper english grammar ain't my strong suit.
On here, I type like a hillbilly, and speak like it too IRL, but when I write (and read) - it's all about correctness. Grammatical errors are a personal pet peeve - they just jump out at me (it's hard driving down the street and seeing the billboards and store signs touting their errors!) I love Krispy Kremes, I just can't stand their signs!

But hey, like I said, 46 pages and only one error (now that moots been taken care of!) - a damn fine contribution!

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Re: A Stair Framing Guide


Got a "typo" on page 39.

Third bulleted entry down has the word "alone". I think you meant "along".



Page 43:

Where you speak of "squeaks", I think we have another "is" / "are" situation. Although, I guess it might, colloquially, go either way.
Or.... you could just change "squeaks" to "squeaking".
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Here it is. It's a 4.3Mb .pdf file

I am laying it here before the alter of the "framing collective" for review and comment so as to refine it to the point of making it "the way it should be done". I respect the brain trust represented here...so if you have time, give it a look.

Kick the tires...I want this thing to pass the CT framer's collective review board.

All actual useful and constructive comments will be implemented in a revised version with foot notes reflecting the person who made the correction / suggestion.

Thanks for the upcoming comments in advance.

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Mike,
As a contractor of 20 years and a building trades instructor for the past 15 years, I have seen/read a lot of dissertations on stair construction. I'm not giving you a sunshine enema when I tell you that it is one of the best I've read. You might want to clarify a couple of your abbreviations for those just learning, but otherwise Well Done!
I bristled a little early on when I saw the bypass cuts at the tread/riser cut intersection (I always finish with a shark saw) but your reinforcing method on the intermediate (free air) stringers more than compensates for your speedier cut method.
I teach advanced framing methods, with minimization of wood use, so I will need to digest that a bit.
With your permission, I would like to use your pdf as a teaching tool for my building trades students. Your work is better than the stair-building portion of any of our three texts! ...and it aligns with the way I teach the students to do it, including the hypotenuse intervals as a ref. check!
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Very interesting reading so far, Wallmax.

However, on p. 14, you have the following:

"PRESSURE BLOCK
– This is the way to add shear nailing prior to the metal fastener companies."

Since you refer to a Simpson A35 later on that page, it appears you meant "metal fastener components" or perhaps just "metal fasteners."
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It is free to use anyway you'd like. I am seeking to develop a CT peer reviewed set of Standard Operating Procedures that can form the basis of how things are done well in the industry with today's materials and methods. Some day my 4 1/2 year old boy will be able to build his own home with a binder of "knowledge" from his old man. I look forward to that day.

I appreciate all the input...fresh eyes on a project always help to catch the imperfections so they can be turned into corrections.

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good stuff wallmaxx, here's my two cents. on the page about cutting, you touch on efficiency by way of technique. in particular you mention keeping the saw moving to avoid stops and starts wich will improve the life of your saw. This i have a bit of a problem with. first of all let me clarify that i use a wormdrive saw, and its common knowledge that the wormdrive has got a tad more torque than the sidewinder shown n your photos. let me also confess that i work with the blade guard pinned back.(big no no) i know, i know, get to the point! well if this is an instructional piece then you have to assume there that are people cutting stairs with tools like mine and in my honest opinion it is extremely bad practice to have a saw motor going for any length of time after you've stopped pushing through your cut. any time i see a newbie do this or try and back up in a cut w the motor running we gotta sit down and have a chat!!! now i'm not saying you gotta do a whole safety video but in this monkey see monkey do world we live/work in, sometimes its better not to show the chimps everything.

P.S. in the same vein of instructional goods; if you cant run a copy of this down from someone in this forum then you HAVE to spend the money and get "the art of roof cutting" just get the basic intro. now i dont like to thow people under the proverbeal bus, but some people should never teach. the reason i bring this to your attention is that i'm impressed with your knowledge and contributions to this forum and i think that with your skills you could put out a real video on this topic. just a thought and or at least a compliment
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good stuff wallmaxx, here's my two cents. on the page about cutting, you touch on efficiency by way of technique. in particular you mention keeping the saw moving to avoid stops and starts wich will improve the life of your saw. This i have a bit of a problem with. first of all let me clarify that i use a wormdrive saw, and its common knowledge that the wormdrive has got a tad more torque than the sidewinder shown n your photos. let me also confess that i work with the blade guard pinned back.(big no no) i know, i know, get to the point! well if this is an instructional piece then you have to assume there that are people cutting stairs with tools like mine and in my honest opinion it is extremely bad practice to have a saw motor going for any length of time after you've stopped pushing through your cut. any time i see a newbie do this or try and back up in a cut w the motor running we gotta sit down and have a chat!!! now i'm not saying you gotta do a whole safety video but in this monkey see monkey do world we live/work in, sometimes its better not to show the chimps everything.

P.S. in the same vein of instructional goods; if you cant run a copy of this down from someone in this forum then you HAVE to spend the money and get "the art of roof cutting" just get the basic intro. now i dont like to thow people under the proverbeal bus, but some people should never teach. the reason i bring this to your attention is that i'm impressed with your knowledge and contributions to this forum and i think that with your skills you could put out a real video on this topic. just a thought and or at least a compliment
Thanks Parker.

I too, pin my guard back. I believe safety starts in a person's mind and in his concentration to the task at hand. I'm not defending the practice...it's just how I do things. Except for stringer cutting, I always stop the blade while it is still embedded fully in the wood before pulling it out to set down on the ground.

All that being said, your point is extremely valid. I appreciate your input.

Correction (deletion) made. The latest revision is uploaded.

The last thing I want is someone trying to follow my methods EXACTLY and end up cutting off body parts. I don't want to promote risky behavior. That needs to be an individual's choice based on what kinds of consequences they want to face for making those choices.

This is exactly the kind of review I needed. Thanks again.

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good stuff wallmaxx, here's my two cents. on the page about cutting, you touch on efficiency by way of technique. in particular you mention keeping the saw moving to avoid stops and starts wich will improve the life of your saw. This i have a bit of a problem with. first of all let me clarify that i use a wormdrive saw, and its common knowledge that the wormdrive has got a tad more torque than the sidewinder shown n your photos. let me also confess that i work with the blade guard pinned back.(big no no) i know, i know, get to the point! well if this is an instructional piece then you have to assume there that are people cutting stairs with tools like mine and in my honest opinion it is extremely bad practice to have a saw motor going for any length of time after you've stopped pushing through your cut. any time i see a newbie do this or try and back up in a cut w the motor running we gotta sit down and have a chat!!! now i'm not saying you gotta do a whole safety video but in this monkey see monkey do world we live/work in, sometimes its better not to show the chimps everything.

P.S. in the same vein of instructional goods; if you cant run a copy of this down from someone in this forum then you HAVE to spend the money and get "the art of roof cutting" just get the basic intro. now i dont like to thow people under the proverbeal bus, but some people should never teach. the reason i bring this to your attention is that i'm impressed with your knowledge and contributions to this forum and i think that with your skills you could put out a real video on this topic. just a thought and or at least a compliment
I read back over the thread, and I wondered,since no one else mentioned much about teaching, if your comment may be referring to me??

If not, okay. But if it is, I owe my students the best information and training that I can give them. That's why I read this forum often, and critically. If there is something(s) you think I've said or done incorrectly here, I would welcome any specifics that would lead you to this comment - and set me straight! I don't have any ego issues, so lay it out, y'know?

If it wasn't about me, ...oh well, I just wondered. The day I can't learn better stuff from all you guys is the day I better pack it in.
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Very well done and easy to follow. I have built many stairs in and out of homes and just now find out the 2 by on the bottom is called a thrust plate.
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Hey Critter, unless you are the guy in the video that i referred to then you can rest easy my friend. if you were the guy in the video then i think you owe alot of refunds.
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Hey Critter, unless you are the guy in the video that i referred to then you can rest easy my friend. if you were the guy in the video then i think you owe alot of refunds.
Nope, not me. I thought maybe I got words jumbled up somewhere and said something stupid that you disapproved of. ('cause y'know I've never done that before.)
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Mike,
It's been a lot of years since I did one, but I was reminded today (on the DIY Forum, of all places) of just how good Boxed Stairways were.

Since this is really the way all of us should still be doing them, are you planning to do a tutorial on that traditional method of stair building?
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does anyone still have this in their files?

I thought it was always really handy to get my mind thinking right.

I thought i downloaded it back in the day but i cant find mine.
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does anyone still have this in their files?

I thought it was always really handy to get my mind thinking right.

I thought i downloaded it back in the day but i cant find mine.
Wallmaxx is still a semi regular around here.

PM him and I'm sure if it's still available he'll have it.

I wouldn't mind keeping it in my files either.
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Just saw this.
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I can't find the 4.3MB PDF.

I have an 11 MB PDF but I don't have a site to put it on and then share a link.

Any help with that would be cool.
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I can't find the 4.3MB PDF.

I have an 11 MB PDF but I don't have a site to put it on and then share a link.

Any help with that would be cool.
Upload it to one of those free file storage websites.
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I can't find the 4.3MB PDF.

I have an 11 MB PDF but I don't have a site to put it on and then share a link.

Any help with that would be cool.
I would love to see this as well. If you email it to me [[email protected]] I would be glad to dump it in my dropbox space online and post a link here.

Or you go to https://www.dropbox.com/ and sign up for a free account and then upload and come back and post us a linky.

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I would love to see this as well. If you email it to me [[email protected]] I would be glad to dump it in my dropbox space online and post a link here.

Or you go to https://www.dropbox.com/ and sign up for a free account and then upload and come back and post us a linky.

Done.

But the link to share is unique to each downloader. If you know how to group share that would be cool.

I'd like to share this as a bit torrent but I haven't studied how to get it uploaded to a server.

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