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Old 01-21-2012, 08:07 PM   #101
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:20 PM   #102
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Sounds like something you'd hear in San Francisco....
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Sounds like something you'd hear in San Francisco....
Never been there. One of these days though the wife and I will vacation in the northern part of Cali. I am sick of SoCal.

I am dealing with a Asian gal for a job. I used 2's and 4's in the numbers. We will see. No this isnt' framing. Paint grade finish work. You need a fast framer mind set to win this one.
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Understanding of rise over run principle and working knowledge of the framing square as it relates to roof and stairs.


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, can frame with the guard nailed up without cutting off his foot or putting down the saw on the blade but doesn't as he's too smart to do that,
Are you serious.?
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Are you serious.?
Yes and no.............
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Are you serious.?
I personally framed for companies in Indiana and Tennessee, never saw a guard on a saw not wedged up until 2 years into framing, after I came back to Michigan.
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I personally framed for companies in Indiana and Tennessee, never saw a guard on a saw not wedged up until 2 years into framing, after I came back to Michigan.
I know how that goes. That's how I was taught when I started framing in 1983...First day on the job my boss gave me a so called safety lesson in how to cut the wedge....pin the guard up....twist the saw and how to set it down.

I mastered it and used that saw with the guard pinned up for years....I know that saw like the back of my hand and can carve animals in bushes with it. But....once I started my own business at taught ny crew how to do that and saw the first kid set the saw down the wring way and almost run over his foot....that was the end if pinning the guards up.

Just didn't think anyone did this anymore. I've seen some guys take their guards off back in the day..
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Yes and no.............
What does hat mean? I haven't seen anyone advocate pinning the guard up since I've been on framing forums for 10 years. Although...ill bet there are many framers my age that will say how bad it is to do so...still do it but won't admit it here.
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In light of the current topic....

A ninja framer can be one with the saw and cut quickly and efficiently WITHOUT disabling the guard.

I've only seen it a couple of times in my 25+ years. In my own experience, I've never had a reason to do so. It simply isn't that hard to use a saw correctly. If the blade is set properly, the guard should also work properly. If pocket cutting, it's not that hard to thumb the guard before pulling the trigger, provided that you are using the proper saw with the proper hand.
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In light of the current topic....

A ninja framer can be one with the saw and cut quickly and efficiently WITHOUT disabling the guard.

I've only seen it a couple of times in my 25+ years. In my own experience, I've never had a reason to do so. It simply isn't that hard to use a saw correctly. If the blade is set properly, the guard should also work properly.
You are right. But i have to say that cutting with the guard pinned up is alot easier and faster to cut....but very dangerous. Only people who have done it and then use a saw without pinning the guard up will understand why. I'm just saying and not trying to tell anyone to try it.
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In light of the current topic....

A ninja framer can be one with the saw and cut quickly and efficiently WITHOUT disabling the guard.

I've only seen it a couple of times in my 25+ years. In my own experience, I've never had a reason to do so. It simply isn't that hard to use a saw correctly. If the blade is set properly, the guard should also work properly. If pocket cutting, it's not that hard to thumb the guard before pulling the trigger, provided that you are using the proper saw with the proper hand.
Sorry to have to correct you lone but were talking about "black belt" framers. I don't even want to start on what it takes to get to "ninja" level!
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You are right. But i have to say that cutting with the guard pinned up is alot easier and faster to cut....but very dangerous. Only people who have done it and then use a saw without pinning the guard up will understand why. I'm just saying and not trying to tell anyone to try it.
I havnt bought one but at my lumber supply house there selling a device that bolts on to the worm saw that lifts the guard for you. There's a paddle where your thumb rests and you just push it down and it lifts the guard. I've always had my guards pinned up but it scares the shiz out of me to see my guys do it. I've seen to many horrible saw accidents, thumbs lost, toes lost, dang near a whole arm once. Unless your cutting steep compounds it doesnt need to be up. I use a plunge cut stroke becouse I'm so used to it being up, I don't cut across the board, I drop into it as I go across, I'm sure this is how most guys who learned without a guard do it.

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I havnt bought one but at my lumber supply house there selling a device that bolts on to the worm saw that lifts the guard for you. There's a paddle where your thumb rests and you just push it down and it lifts the guard. I've always had my guards pinned up but it scares the shiz out of me to see my guys do it. I've seen to many horrible saw accidents, thumbs lost, toes lost, dang near a whole arm once. Unless your cutting steep compounds it doesnt need to be up. I use a plunge cut stroke becouse I'm so used to it being up, I don't cut across the board, I drop into it as I go across, I'm sure this is how most guys who learned without a guard do it.

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We're probably talking the same thing, I dont draw a line on 2x4 for square cuts period and rarely on 2x6. To still make a square cut I line the front of the guard up with the edge of the board and drop the saw in, then across. A.k.a- plunge cut.

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