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Old 01-09-2012, 10:00 PM   #21
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you guys are scaring me. thanks
sooo back to out of square exterior walls.
yesterday i learned a good trick from kyle-dmr
he said if there is a brick ledge what you can do is put your sills to follow
the foundation. disregarding for sqaure
then when you build your floor snap the wall lines square and let the wall overhang the floor. it will just overhand into the brick airspace so..
but check the foundation to make sure its reasonable. if not then square sills roughly and do same thing square wall layout.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:38 PM   #22
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piece work is uncommon around here so..
i want to be my own framer but sub for big framers until i get going
So you want to go to work for your competition as a sub of a sub?

Your bottom line isn't their bottom line. Owning a business isn't the time to be learning the business. You will never know the business side working in the field.

As for me being just a framer. Those days have long gone. You won't catch me bent over framing a wall. We have mexicans that will do that down here.

You want to be a good framer learn the skills of advanced framing. Cracker jacker box slappers are a dime a dozen. And half a dozen are nothings.
Plus any way it's a fun name. I get to get into a battle of wits with remuddlers. You have to be tuff when you tract. There is always some that is looking to slit your throat. Remodeller come here to bitch about craiglist hacks.
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you guys are scaring me. thanks
sooo back to out of square exterior walls.
yesterday i learned a good trick from kyle-dmr
he said if there is a brick ledge what you can do is put your sills to follow
the foundation. disregarding for sqaure
then when you build your floor snap the wall lines square and let the wall overhang the floor. it will just overhand into the brick airspace so..
but check the foundation to make sure its reasonable. if not then square sills roughly and do same thing square wall layout.
Not in my world.

I want square lines on the floor. Period.
This seems like a recipe for disaster.
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Not in my world.

I want square lines on the floor. Period.
This seems like a recipe for disaster.
your first floor may not be sqaure but the wall layout is.
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Not in my world.

I want square lines on the floor. Period.
This seems like a recipe for disaster.
Yea... square it from the start.

Kyles way works for him and makes him money. That's good. But I'd prefer a different way.
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your first floor may not be sqaure but the wall layout is.
"not square" is never good
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That is what hacks do. That is what that guy I posted about used to do too. Except he didn't have brick ledge to hide behind.

You think a out of square will is bad. Wait till you have a out of square and shrinking/growing building to deal with on the roof.
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"not square" is never good
but then you can build your knee walls and stuff faster on walks outs. its hard to transfer sqaure down steps isn't it?
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So you want to go to work for your competition as a sub of a sub?

Your bottom line isn't their bottom line. Owning a business isn't the time to be learning the business. You will never know the business side working in the field.

As for me being just a framer. Those days have long gone. You won't catch me bent over framing a wall. We have mexicans that will do that down here.

You want to be a good framer learn the skills of advanced framing. Cracker jacker box slappers are a dime a dozen. And half a dozen are nothings.
Plus any way it's a fun name. I get to get into a battle of wits with remuddlers. You have to be tuff when you tract. There is always some that is looking to slit your throat. Remodeller come here to bitch about craiglist hacks.
well if i can find my own houses where i do not need to sub for a framer in subdivision i will. but if i am not mistaken in my area it is common for small framers to sub for a big framer.

In my area i don't think its so bad as where you are. i could be wrong but from what i have heard from guys in my area it is alright except lots of hacks
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I wasn't going to throw out the "hack" word. What happens when you need to go back and pull off your origanal lines? What if you have critical interior dimensions? You could end up with out of square stair wells, vaults, ect. Just goes against every fiber of my being man.
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I am seeing a pattern here. The guy I am talking about is half Canadian. His parents are dual citizens. Country clubbers from a town I used to live in. Common Canadian last name too. Something with nerd in the name.
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Nick, there's some dude on here that this is his tag line:

"Walking the fine line between production and perfection"

You're still young, but you will learn it & practice it...

If you don't start square, plumb & level...it will be a fight all the way through.
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but then you can build your knee walls and stuff faster on walks outs. its hard to transfer sqaure down steps isn't it?

Nope. It's pretty easy.

Measure in 5-1/2" at the top (assuming 2x6 walls)
at the bottom, stand and plumb a 2x6 stud flush with the corner
hold chalk line at the top mark, and on the inside of the stud... snap. plumb down the first step.... snap next... repeat.

Then you know your building length so just measure across. same thing on the other side.... you should be able to figure square off these two lines.


This is a very simple explanation, of coarse.
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I wasn't going to throw out the "hack" word. What happens when you need to go back and pull off your origanal lines? What if you have critical interior dimensions? You could end up with out of square stair wells, vaults, ect. Just goes against every fiber of my being man.
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but then you can build your knee walls and stuff faster on walks outs. its hard to transfer sqaure down steps isn't it?
Are you talkin about walk out basements with step downs in the foundation? Not hard at all, I snap a line 12" in from outside of foundation wall , doubles as framing line for fur out walls in basement. I plumb out from it with my plate level for step down lines.
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Are you talkin about walk out basements with step downs in the foundation? Not hard at all, I snap a line 12" in from outside of wall , doubles as framing line for fur out walls in basement. I plumb out from it with my plate level for step down lines.
we've used a way like this before, too.
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Are you talkin about walk out basements with step downs in the foundation? Not hard at all, I snap a line 12" in from outside of wall , doubles as framing line for fur out walls in basement. I plumb out from it with my plate level for step down lines.
yea walk outs, but i mean finding square will be more of a pain because of the steps
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yea walk outs, but i mean finding square will be more of a pain because of the steps
That's why I square inside on the floor, 12" in from outside of foundation wall. Then I use plate level to transfer lines to wall, This line on floor doubles as framing line for fur out walls in basement
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yea walk outs, but i mean finding square will be more of a pain because of the steps


Set some temp grade poles.

you can figure square off of these pretty easy and quick with some practice.
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That's why I square inside on the floor, 12" in from outside of foundation wall.
why?
do you not have a brick ledge ? you just share the foundation with your sill and bricks?

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