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Old 01-22-2012, 06:51 PM   #1
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So, I'm doing a frozen new construction roof on a single story with a walkout basement. Now I haven't framed a whole house sense november of '06 so it's been awhile. Anyway, I noticed this whole frame is 24" oc , exterior/ common garage walls are 2x6 , all interior walls and garage walls are 2x4.

Has framing really changed that much in 5 1/2 years?

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And the guys doing the framing butchered it....sub of sub of sub....

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I've seen a ton of farm loan homes framed 24" o.c. Fast and cheap doesn't leave room for good.
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It seems this is the way things are spec'd now now. My last one was spec'd like that and I changed it on site.
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Pure crap if you ask me.
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Sometimes I wish I was able to apprecatethe first two framing crews I worked for when I worked for them. They were really really good.
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So, I'm doing a frozen new construction roof on a single story with a walkout basement. Now I haven't framed a whole house sense november of '06 so it's been awhile. Anyway, I noticed this whole frame is 24" oc , exterior/ common garage walls are 2x6 , all interior walls and garage walls are 2x4.

Has framing really changed that much in 5 1/2 years?
it's not uncommon here, what is the specific problem you have with it?
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i have seen a couple houses framed 24" oc and it was called being green. it allows more insulation and less thermal bridging.

sounded like a good excuse for being cheap
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it's not uncommon here, what is the specific problem you have with it?
my issue is the drywall inside is usually still 1/2" and it waves between the studs. esp the ceilings
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The lids are 5/8 right?
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it's not uncommon here, what is the specific problem you have with it?
Doesn't look right, looks cheap. Cost savings has to be bare bones minimal. The fact that the "framers" should work at a meat market probably has a little to do with it, but I don't like it. Mostly I guess it looks cheap.

It just reenforces the idea that I will have to frame my own house one day, or buy the one I'm in now and add an upstairs.
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I wouldn do it on my house but if everything stacks like it should (joist, stud, truss/ rafter) its still structurally sound. You just can't find a stud to nail your family picture up is all.
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The lids are 5/8 right?
not the couple i saw around here. 24" trusses with 1/2 rock in the whole house. tract houses of course.
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With truss joists for the floor layout at 2' oc. I don't see a point to 16" oc. Nothing stacks anymore and there is no rim joist on the perpendicular of these truss joists. House tract framing is cobbled together junk.
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In my area 16 oc exteriors and sometimes 24 or 19.2 interiors
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Are we living in the past gentlemen?

houses for a long time have been way over engineered for strength. Now it happens to be that houses are more economical to heat and cool with 2'centers.

if you build on 2' centers around here, we use 5/8 rock to prevent the interior waves.

you better get used to the fact that in the future this will become the norm not the exception it is today.


I am old enough to remember that in the 50=60's plywood was looked on as terrible way to build and cheap. Funny thing is those houses for the most part are still standing.....

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