Leveling - Framing - Contractor Talk

Leveling

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-18-2019, 05:18 PM   #1
Registered User
 
Joekid76's Avatar
 
Trade: Electrical and carpentry
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 9

Leveling


Why is it that contractor's and carpenters think you need a 4' or 6' level at the most to level a wall ? You need to be able to level the wall by holding the level on the bottom plate and the upper plate. Being doing this for over 25 years and had a general contractor read a forum on here discussing this and read that only a 4' and at the max is a 6' level needed. I use a 8' on my standard walls and a plate level or a laser level to level the top plate with the bottom. So just wondering what genius out thinks you can level a 8' to 12' wall with only a 4' to 6' level. Today's lumber is terrible so making sure that the bottom and top plate is level is the way to do it. Also make sure when crowning your studs to place all of the crowns the same direction.
Joekid76 is offline  

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 06-18-2019, 05:50 PM   #2
Fire up the BBQ
 
griz's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 21,732
Rewards Points: 2,290

Re: Leveling


not sure where you are from but out on the coast here we refer to using a whiskey stick, in the manner you describe, as making sure a wall is plumb...

also very common to use a 4' level to plumb walls....

a straight edge is the trick...


if i ever got to the point where i had to level a top plate i think i would just pack my chit up and move on....

Advertisement

__________________
SOME JOBS JUST AREN'T WORTH DOING:
griz is online now  
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to griz For This Useful Post:
A&E Exteriors (06-20-2019), Dirtywhiteboy (06-20-2019), hdavis (06-18-2019), Rooster Cogburn (06-26-2019), Tinstaafl (06-18-2019), TNTRenovate (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 05:55 PM   #3
Pro
 
Dirtywhiteboy's Avatar
 
Trade: Home Framing- Roof Stacking
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Honolulu Oahu,Hawaii
Posts: 15,011
Rewards Points: 10,086

Re: Leveling


Joekid76,, 25 years
do you know what plumb means
__________________
I Have Done So Much With So Little For So Long, I Can Do Almost Anything With Nothing Now
Dirtywhiteboy is offline  
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Dirtywhiteboy For This Useful Post:
B.Johnson (06-18-2019), Calidecks (06-18-2019), cedarboarder (06-19-2019), Defenestrate (06-23-2019), Golden view (06-22-2019), griz (06-18-2019), jproffer (06-21-2019), Rio (06-19-2019), Rooster Cogburn (06-26-2019), Seven-Delta-FortyOne (06-18-2019), TNTRenovate (06-19-2019)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:58 PM   #4
Registered User
 
eastcoastjoe's Avatar
 
Trade: GC aka adult baby sitter
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 13
Rewards Points: 42

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by griz View Post
not sure where you are from but out on the coast here we refer to using a whiskey stick, in the manner you describe, as making sure a wall is plumb...

also very common to use a 4' level to plumb walls....

a straight edge is the trick...


if i ever got to the point where i had to level a top plate i think i would just pack my chit up and move on....
Yep, when I started out (36 now) we used a 4ft level with a plywood strait edge. We got an entire house with 1/8", minus bowed studs ect. Lasers are cheating, but they sure are awesome. I'm glad I got the tail end of old school framers.
eastcoastjoe is offline  
Old 06-18-2019, 05:58 PM   #5
Pro
 
dave_dj1's Avatar
 
Trade: general contractor
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Upsate Ny/Vt border
Posts: 977
Rewards Points: 1,060

Re: Leveling


I typically stand back, put my thumb up and give 'er the ole hairy eyeball, works most of the time
We (pros) pick our lumber and eyeball each piece so our walls ain't wavy either
If I have to level the top plate on a new build I will fire the concrete guy
dave_dj1 is offline  
Old 06-18-2019, 06:07 PM   #6
Goin' Down in Flames....
 
Seven-Delta-FortyOne's Avatar
 
Trade: Highwayman
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Somewhere Between Heaven And Hell
Posts: 3,857
Rewards Points: 2,186

Re: Leveling


If you're using an 8' level, you're doing it wrong.

You need to use a plate level, which has built-in stand-off blocks.

I think you mean plumb, not level, by the way.

Crowning studs is first day laborer $#1t, bro. Exterior walls, the crown goes to the outside. Interior, pick a side, and keep it consistent.

I've only built to 3 stories, and I haven't leveled a plate. Maybe on multi-story stuff, I don't know.









You need to get better framers.
__________________
Get Off My Lawn.

"There are no big projects. There are only small machines". - R. G. LeTourneau
Seven-Delta-FortyOne is online now  
Old 06-18-2019, 06:09 PM   #7
Capra aegagrus

 
Tinstaafl's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeler
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,164
Rewards Points: 1,335

Re: Leveling


I generally level floors, not walls. I plumb them.

But yeah, a 4' level will do the job just fine in conjunction with a straightedge.
Tinstaafl is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tinstaafl For This Useful Post:
Rooster Cogburn (06-26-2019), TNTRenovate (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:12 PM   #8
Pro
 
Tom M's Avatar
 
Trade: GC/ Interior & Exterior Remodeling
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bergen County, NJ
Posts: 9,626
Rewards Points: 3,476

Re: Leveling


He's an electrician. You all understood his thought process but gave him the "Contractortalk beat down. LOL Hence the reputation.
Tom M is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Tom M For This Useful Post:
Fouthgeneration (06-18-2019), Frank Castle (06-19-2019), Seven-Delta-FortyOne (06-18-2019), TheConstruct (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:16 PM   #9
Pro
 
hdavis's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: CoastalME
Posts: 23,367
Rewards Points: 2,900

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by Joekid76 View Post
Why is it that contractor's and carpenters think you need a 4' or 6' level at the most to level a wall ?
Probably because that's all you need. Personally, I've found longer levels get knocked around and go out easier than the shorter ones.
hdavis is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to hdavis For This Useful Post:
A&E Exteriors (06-20-2019), Rooster Cogburn (06-26-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:19 PM   #10
Pro
 
rblakes1's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 1,490
Rewards Points: 3,118

Re: Leveling


Welcome to CT

-Rich
rblakes1 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to rblakes1 For This Useful Post:
cedarboarder (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:24 PM   #11
Pro
 
EricBrancard's Avatar
 
Trade: Builder/Renovator
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 6,469
Rewards Points: 516

Re: Leveling


Some guy told me something he heard on the internet so here I am to yell at the internet.
EricBrancard is online now  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to EricBrancard For This Useful Post:
A&E Exteriors (06-20-2019), KAP (06-18-2019), mrcat (06-18-2019), TheConstruct (06-19-2019), TNTRenovate (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:34 PM   #12
Goin' Down in Flames....
 
Seven-Delta-FortyOne's Avatar
 
Trade: Highwayman
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Somewhere Between Heaven And Hell
Posts: 3,857
Rewards Points: 2,186

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
He's an electrician. You all understood his thought process but gave him the "Contractortalk beat down. LOL Hence the reputation.
I was helpful......





..........Sort of......
__________________
Get Off My Lawn.

"There are no big projects. There are only small machines". - R. G. LeTourneau
Seven-Delta-FortyOne is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to Seven-Delta-FortyOne For This Useful Post:
Tom M (06-18-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 06:49 PM   #13
Pro
 
KAP's Avatar
 
Trade: Custom
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 11,017
Rewards Points: 33,886

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
He's an electrician. You all understood his thought process but gave him the "Contractortalk beat down. LOL Hence the reputation.
It says electrician and carpentry... doesn't specify which the 25years applies to...
KAP is offline  
Old 06-18-2019, 08:18 PM   #14
Fire up the BBQ
 
griz's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 21,732
Rewards Points: 2,290

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom M View Post
He's an electrician. You all understood his thought process but gave him the "Contractortalk beat down. LOL Hence the reputation.
not at all intended as a beat down....

but the guy had a pretty good rant about "leveling" walls with the added caveat that he been doing this for 25 years....

sorry, but plumb & level are very basic construction terms that are not interchangeable....

sparkies i know are well aware of the terminology....
__________________
SOME JOBS JUST AREN'T WORTH DOING:
griz is online now  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to griz For This Useful Post:
Calidecks (06-18-2019), Dirtywhiteboy (06-18-2019), hdavis (06-18-2019), Seven-Delta-FortyOne (06-18-2019), TNTRenovate (06-19-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 08:30 PM   #15
back doors to hell put in
 
Irishslave's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpenter
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Google knows
Posts: 3,814
Rewards Points: 2,612

Re: Leveling


Level plus Plumb=89.999999999999999 degrees.

Got a perfect level floor? Believe it or not I can plumb the wall with a 10' brace and a tape measure
__________________
Television is fake...The internet is real
Irishslave is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Irishslave For This Useful Post:
Justin Rhoades (07-07-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 08:55 PM   #16
Pro
 
hdavis's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: CoastalME
Posts: 23,367
Rewards Points: 2,900

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishslave View Post
Level plus Plumb=89.999999999999999 degrees.

Got a perfect level floor? Believe it or not I can plumb the wall with a 10' brace and a tape measure
Only if the floor is level....
hdavis is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to hdavis For This Useful Post:
Rio (06-19-2019), Seven-Delta-FortyOne (06-18-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 08:55 PM   #17
Pro
 
Fouthgeneration's Avatar
 
Trade: Masonry
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Middle
Posts: 2,312
Rewards Points: 8,249

Re: Leveling


7D-41: RE: crown, always nail with the crown up, so stud isn't proud of stud one side? Otherwise you are pressing down, picking up the other end of the curved stud.... slower, harder, less flat wall.


bigger rooms get the belly?

Are homes with sideways hung Drywall less flat? vertically?
__________________
I might be an Idiot, but I know things that You don't: Please wait till after you get my know-how to insult me....
Fouthgeneration is offline  
Old 06-18-2019, 09:29 PM   #18
back doors to hell put in
 
Irishslave's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpenter
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Google knows
Posts: 3,814
Rewards Points: 2,612

Re: Leveling


Quote:
Originally Posted by hdavis View Post
Only if the floor is level....
Aren't they all?
__________________
Television is fake...The internet is real
Irishslave is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Irishslave For This Useful Post:
hdavis (06-18-2019)
Old 06-18-2019, 09:43 PM   #19
back doors to hell put in
 
Irishslave's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpenter
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Google knows
Posts: 3,814
Rewards Points: 2,612

Re: Leveling


Most accurate level I ever used was a water level.....unfortunately it didn't do plumb. Plumb bob is dead on but not workable.

Best level for this is Stabila Plate level with the standoff tabs. The lines on the vial are about the same as the width of the bubble. No 1/8 variation like on the cheapies. None of this "It's inside the lines holmes". Inside the lines isn't straight if you have 3/16" of fluid from the bubble to the line on the other side
__________________
Television is fake...The internet is real
Irishslave is offline  
Old 06-19-2019, 05:53 AM   #20
Registered User
 
Joekid76's Avatar
 
Trade: Electrical and carpentry
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 9

Re: Leveling


I don't think many people are completely understanding with what I'm saying about the top plate being level from the bottom plate to the top plate. I do use a plate level when needed. I've been doing carpentry for over 25 years and an electrician for 25 years. I've frame up to 3 story homes and always used a 8' to extendable plate level. There's some rude comments on here. How you get a wall level vertical with a straight edge is not possible. The ones using a 3' and a straight edge plywood is not going to get a wall level and plumb. Everyone has different ways of doing things. You can not level any wall top to bottom with a 3' level. I'm a electrician and a carpenter. A laser level is not cheating it is doing it the easiest and fastest way possible. I could go on and on. But leveling a wall with a 3' level or eyeing it is not going to get a wall level from the bottom plate to the top plate. The floor being level to build a wall level straight up and down has nothing to do with what I'm saying and discussing. Also if you can find a concrete company who can pour a level wall or floor you sir have found the perfect concrete guy so good luck with that. I do believe there is too many keyboard commandos on this site. Common sense is needed in life. Good luck with you 3' to 6' levels. I've do believe I've seen a lot of no common sense comments that make no sense. I know what crowing studs are and which way to set the crowned studs. I know my walls are level and straight. Plain ridiculous to level a wall off studs with a 3' level. Good luck with your 1/8" to 3/16" within level. As you go on like that the farther the walls or entire project/house becomes more and more level. I do believe I've had enough of the no nonsense answers and comments on here. Somewhat of a joke to those who don't read and understand my original post.

Advertisement

Joekid76 is offline  


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?