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Old 01-18-2018, 12:15 PM   #1
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I Messed Up, Any Advice?


Long story short. A crew I hired did not use pressure treated lumber on the frame's sole plate during a basement renovation. Obviously, the ground is concrete.

What can I do before inspection happens? I was thinking of claiming its cedar, or pushing cedar shims under the plate (the ground is ridiculously uneven).

Code says "required naturally durable lumber or pressure treated sole plate". This is in NJ.

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Old 01-18-2018, 12:32 PM   #2
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Re: I Messed Up, Any Advice?


Can you get a layer of 6 mil Poly under it and then paint some preservative on the top surface?

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Did they supply the lumber or did you? Have they been paid in full? Tell them to get back there and fix it

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An inspector told me 15 years ago that pressure treated was not required for basement floor contact IF you were positive there was continuous 6 mil poly under the slab
I never understood how I could prove this to anyone, and never took him up on this shortcut.
Has anyone else ever heard this?

In the prehistoric days- before pressure treated was commonly available- we would tack 15# felt to the underside of the sole plate.
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yes, they were paid. I was thinking of taking the 6 mil tape. But how would I prove its there lol.

Would claiming the wood is cedar work? Technically, cedar is rot resistant too.
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How far along are you? Is the renovation nearly finished? Can you pry up the wall and get Felt under there?

To prove it's there, a picture is worth 1000 words. Several pictures are certainly worth more.

You could claim it is cedar. Until you gouge it with a knife and it does not pass the sniff test.


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Lol if I was an inspector and came in and saw that, and you told me it was cedar, you would be so phukd. You could carefully try to run a sawzall above and below the plate to remove it, then slide the pressure treated in. Only problem is itís a pain in the ass to cut out, and then you have to toe nail all the studs in. How many feet of wall needs to be changed?


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Well now that we know the bottom plate is wrong---did the put the fire stop in between the top plate and first floor joists?

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Sounds like you got what you paid for, a central american basement. There is no way you will pass inspection, you try to fool them they will be all over you forever.
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Check with your inspector. They may allow you to coat the wood with a waterproofing sealer
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See what year the house was built. If it was built after when a 6mil plastic under the slab requirement was in effect, many towns in NJ waives the use of PT lumber on the slab... It will be inspectors call.
If not, cut the plate out and replace... extra work, but that's on you, you hired them, your job to oversee everything is done right and within code compliance.
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Be creative with the code termed "naturally durable lumber."

Natural = it's wood, real wood

Durable = wood is very durable, anyone would agree on that

Lumber= its a precisely cut piece of wood.

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If I couldn't get something under them, my conscience would make me replace them. Not that difficult after you get over the anger.


I'm dealing with worker pf_up's on my job right now and I'm just fixing them. (I'm not in a telling mood right now, sorry.)
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Well now that we know the bottom plate is wrong---did the put the fire stop in between the top plate and first floor joists?

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And every 10' horizontally from the studs to the block wall?

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Even if they were paid ring them up and tell them to get back in to fix it.

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Just claim it's cedar?

So you're okay with lying about your **** ups instead of making them right?

Wow.

And cedar... Really?
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What about treating it with BoraCare?
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Just claim it's cedar?

So you're okay with lying about your **** ups instead of making them right?

Wow.


And cedar... Really?
Yeah...Everything he said.

Call(or drive back over to the deli parking lot) and tell your subs to fix it. ?
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Not redoing it and lying is a quick path to ruining yourself. Saw it out and toenail. No big deal.

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