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Old 06-03-2015, 09:03 PM   #1
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The last 3 weeks we've fixed up this 4 Plex where the framing has been amazingly bad. I posted a lot of the process in the wall of shame. However I decided these guys deserved their own thread.

We are now onto another building they completely kiboshed. There's been 3 guys from a different crew already been there for 3 weeks and we got there on Monday. Here's a list of things they messed up on this one

- sheets are only tacked on
- nothing is square/level/plain
- built 9' walls instead of 8' walls on top floor which made building to high so they had to cut down the trusses

That is a tiny list I will post pictures of the places and we got a go pro and filmed some of the stuff which I'll post once we get it up and running.

These pics are of the place we just finished fixing
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Old 06-03-2015, 09:04 PM   #2
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Old 06-03-2015, 09:13 PM   #3
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This was the first place we did basically there were a ton of crap done wrong or not done at all. We fixed everything we could the best we can without burning the thing to the ground. The roof by far was the worst.

-improper hip and common blocks in trusses
- sheathing not stapled and not supported
- tall wall blocking and a23 and hurricane straps
- level and support stairs landings
- flush exterior walls
- drop facia 12"
- rat runs and T bracing
- level and nail interiors to trusses
- proper backframing

And the list goes on
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Are those before of after pics?

All kidding aside, I have seen similar crap over the years. Some GC's feel that it is still cheaper to have the hacks frame it, and then pay someone better to fix it up. Twenty years ago I fixed up a few, I now refuse to.
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This is what the roof is supposed to look like. They completely left out a hip and valley for starters, we tore out everything they had in the front where the hips/valley mess was and we fixed all that.
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Onto the place we just started. I need to take some more pics of the inside but here's the roof and some exteriors. The flat section up top is the result of them having to cut down their trusses, but there is going to be a huge pooling issue so we will be addressing that. I have one last pic to post but I'm at my limit on this one
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OK last one. This one is the picture of the work they had to do to nearly every truss they had to sheet 12, on both sides of the truss with double 3/4" ply wood glued and nailed every 6"
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Please tell me these guys aren't framing anymore
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Please tell me these guys aren't framing anymore
Wish I could, I know where they are. Some days it takes everything I have not to go there and lose my **** on the guy
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Where do you even find guys like that???

There are some unbelievably bad hacks over here. But I've yet to see anything around here that compares to those pics...
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I feel ill looking at those pics. I could do better than that when I had one years experience. Back in the eighties when the big boom hit Toronto we saw a lot of crews coming in from Quebec as there was no work there. Saw some stuff that looked similar. This is probably similar due to the big oil boom out west, and lack of good crews to keep up with all the work. Sorry for you guys who have to follow that crap.
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Do builder's not care who they hire? I thought Canada had a "Red Seal" program that made people into masters of their trade.

How about BBB or some form of social networking...........hey, call Mike Holmes. Those guys need to be stopped.
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If I had to fix stuff like that I'd quit. Must be good money for you how else could you drag yourself to work to sawzall all day for weeks on end. My hat's off to you for that... nothing beats a nice clean frame from square one though.
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When we as a society start respecting and rewarding the carpentry profession and other building trades rather than looking down on them as menial labor, then possibly a shift can take place in the quality they produce. Rewarding includes paying well trained men a well deserved remuneration. The decline in apprentice programs has certainly added to the kind of work shown in your post. Not everyone needs to be a white collar worker. There is dignity and honor in a job well done. That dignity and honor is certainly lacking in those photos.
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A 4-plex, new construction? What legitimate general contractor or developer would let that happen, or go that far? Maybe this is a a special case, but every time I've seen stuff that bad, the project developer was significantly responsible.
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Wow props to you and your crew for fixing such amazing hackery.
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And from the pictures, it looks like a nice neighborhood. Those houses across the street do not look cheap.
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Going to have to show these to my pops who doesn't know how to use the internet, he'll get a good laugh out of this.
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That is incredibly bad. They spent more time and work, doing it wrong than it would have taken to do it right.
They obviously have no idea what they are doing.

I would jump in there to fix it. Just by the few pics you posted, it has to be a good feeling to see how you were able to fix the problem.

The sad part is that we are some of the few that will appreciate it.
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Absolutely incredible hatchet job you have there! I've never seen such a chit show in all my life.

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