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Old 12-23-2015, 09:15 AM   #41
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Yes it is. 80% of all job openings are not advertised.



I know this first hand because the last 3 guys I hired walked on to my jobsite unannounced asking for a job. I get busy and I get occupied and more often than not, I don't know that I need help until someone asks me for a job.



Or if I decide that I want to formally hire someone, it takes a considerable amount to time and money to post the ad and followup with the interviews. Sometimes I'll do it but most times I won't.



As an employer, I have a job for anyone who wants one but they have a better chance of getting it if they ask me for the job before I announce it.

Yeah ain't that the truth. Just to post a weekend add in the news paper is like +$300. They throw in some .com sites too, but still...
We just got an experienced guy on a walk in but he just can't seem to get to work in time. Ugh, frustrating. I am still waiting on a cloning machine to make more of me and we will be all good! Lol


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Old 12-23-2015, 12:49 PM   #42
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He also kept talking about how everything has to be perfect

Hopefully that means he is more focused on quality than production. Or it could mean he is just a pain in the ash.

If he is the first type it could be a great learning opportunity. I've been doing some work for an older contractor who only does his own projects these days and I've learned more in a couple weeks on his job than the last year doing other projects because he takes the time to do it right and explain his process.

If he really wants perfection focus on giving him that and the speed will come in time.

If you are moving too slow he will probably tell you, if your putting out crap he'll probably assume you aren't a good fit for his crew.


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I remember in my young days I asked the local lumber suppliers where their trucks were headed.
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Hopefully that means he is more focused on quality than production. Or it could mean he is just a pain in the ash.
That's what I'm thinking to. He also mentioned how they are efficient and move quickly. If it were my business that's what I would strive for too. Fast perfection. Maybe those two words don't work well together idk. But it's not like he would tell me, "we like doing things half ass. It's only the frame of the house and it's covered up with drywall anyways."

I guess trying the job out is the only way to know.
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how old are you and what are your goals??
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how old are you and what are your goals??

25. GC license. Just hot into this field so don't know too much. But I really like working on my house. Idk if it's just because it's mine or that I actually enjoy the work. I'm doing apartment turnovers right now which is basically just finish stuff. Really basic and easy. I enjoy it.

So I was thinking that if I were to get my GC license then I would want to do home remodel type stuff, but I don't have experience in any other field so wouldn't be a good PM for the subs I would hire. Hence why I looked into framing. So I could get a good foundation then go from there. I would like to get work with a GC in the home remodel area? But all the job postings I have seen want to pay low wages for detailed perfection work. I know the experience matters, but I don't really see it as a fair trade off.

Thanks for asking and any advice you may have for me.
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Oh shoot sorry forgot to update. Just an interview. He said what they do is try a guy out for a week to see if they cut it. So I'm suppose to start next week sometime, still waiting on the exact date.

He confirmed what FrankSmith mentioned, I'll be keeping the guys going first not building. I'm assuming that means taking the heavy stuff to them, supplies, and cutting. Probably cleaning up and so on.

He also kept talking about how everything has to be perfect, which I already assumed. But him mentioning it multiple times kinda scared me. Mainly because I don't know him yet, so I don't know what to expect from him or the job.

On the bright side, he said there's nothing wrong with me on paper so it looks pretty good for me. Also was telling me about his crew and that they have been with him for around ten years for a couple of them and 15 and 30 years for the other two. I would like to think of this as a good thing. Maybe good pay and a good boss. That's what I'm hoping anyways.
Sounds like my crew. Myself (30 years), my lead (20 years) and then #2 (8 years). Even the low man has been here on and off for 5 plus years. Most days it is a well oiled machine. Breaking in a new guy is rough because no matter what, it takes him a week to have any clue as to how we run.

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25. GC license. Just hot into this field so don't know too much. But I really like working on my house. Idk if it's just because it's mine or that I actually enjoy the work. I'm doing apartment turnovers right now which is basically just finish stuff. Really basic and easy. I enjoy it.

So I was thinking that if I were to get my GC license then I would want to do home remodel type stuff, but I don't have experience in any other field so wouldn't be a good PM for the subs I would hire. Hence why I looked into framing. So I could get a good foundation then go from there. I would like to get work with a GC in the home remodel area? But all the job postings I have seen want to pay low wages for detailed perfection work. I know the experience matters, but I don't really see it as a fair trade off.

Thanks for asking and any advice you may have for me.
To qualify to be a GC in this state:

They will to want to see proof (on paper) 4 years at a journey level (meaning able to work unsupervised) either as a carpenter or as a foreman or supervisor for another GC. Or a framing company as a carpenter.

So because you couldn't possibly have worked full time while in high school. They will expect probably at least 4 years learning time.

The very minimum age you realistically could be to meet those requirements, is 26. They will send your app to investigations for further scrutiny if you're under 30 or so.

Just a heads up. If you apply make sure your proof of experience is rock solid.
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I would carry this stuff daily, but keep 100s of "what if" tools in my truck.

I would rig my bags as needed for the days task but these were always onboard.

Always try to anticipate how to be helpful. As you start to learn the process you'll be able to prep things. Packing and staging the right lumber. Clearing the next area of concern.

Unless you're about to explode, wait until you are on break or lunch to use the latrine. Show the respect for the bosses time by being productive on his time. Nothing worse than seeing guys take a dump 10 mins before their lunch break. It shows the wrong attitude.

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Unless you're about to explode, wait until you are on break or lunch to use the latrine. Show the respect for the bosses time by being productive on his time. Nothing worse than seeing guys take a dump 10 mins before their lunch break. It shows the wrong attitude.
If I'm making a trip to the bathroom, it isn't something I can put off another 10 minutes. I find my work output generally shoots up a noticeable amount after ditching some of that dead weight.
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Once again, thanks for all the support!

He called me and I have my first day on Monday. I'm excited. I'll post how it goes and what I'm doing here. And I was able to get $15/hr. I'm not complaining, especially with no direct framing experience. I felt that was generous. I'll make sure I earn it though.

As far as carrying those what if tools. My truck is a single cab. Do you guys have extended/king cabs? And any thoughts on truck bed toolboxes? Like them, hate them? I want a new truck and was thinking of getting an extended cab and sacrifice bed length. Don't mean to go too much off topic.
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Once again, thanks for all the support!



He called me and I have my first day on Monday. I'm excited. I'll post how it goes and what I'm doing here. And I was able to get $15/hr. I'm not complaining, especially with no direct framing experience. I felt that was generous. I'll make sure I earn it though.



As far as carrying those what if tools. My truck is a single cab. Do you guys have extended/king cabs? And any thoughts on truck bed toolboxes? Like them, hate them? I want a new truck and was thinking of getting an extended cab and sacrifice bed length. Don't mean to go too much off topic.


Most the guys here have decked out tool trailers, but a better built tool box on your truck will be fine for what you are doing.




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Oh really? The boss had a truck with a harbor bed. Not sure if this is mostly a Southern California thing, but I'm sure there are similar companies that make the beds.

I don't foresee myself needing my whole garage with me, but I'd still like some more storage and maybe a place where I don't have to take my tools down every day and reload em in the morning. Not sure if tool boxes are easy to take out or break into. Or if people even target them to begin with.
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I threw an aluminum tool box on the back of my Dakota when I started out. It's nice to ditch your tools in there rather than the cab especially if it's your daily driver.
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I threw an aluminum tool box on the back of my Dakota when I started out. It's nice to ditch your tools in there rather than the cab especially if it's your daily driver.

That's funny. I drive a Dakota.
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Once again, thanks for all the support!

He called me and I have my first day on Monday. I'm excited. I'll post how it goes and what I'm doing here. And I was able to get $15/hr. I'm not complaining, especially with no direct framing experience. I felt that was generous. I'll make sure I earn it though.

As far as carrying those what if tools. My truck is a single cab. Do you guys have extended/king cabs? And any thoughts on truck bed toolboxes? Like them, hate them? I want a new truck and was thinking of getting an extended cab and sacrifice bed length. Don't mean to go too much off topic.
john91 post your location and profile. I know your new guy but it's the proper thing to do. good luck with the new gig. BTW what tools did you have day of interview.
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john91 post your location and profile. I know your new guy but it's the proper thing to do. good luck with the new gig. BTW what tools did you have day of interview.
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john91 post your location and profile. I know your new guy but it's the proper thing to do. good luck with the new gig. BTW what tools did you have day of interview.

I'll fill that out soon.

I took a framing hammer with a checkered face, but he said they use nail guns and grind the face off those so they don't leave marks. I'm assuming they use them mainly for fascia and finish stuff that will be visible.

I also took a 30' tape measure, gloves, safety glasses, hearing plugs, pencils, lumber crayons, utility knife, combination square, speed square, drill, impact driver, chalk line, and a cats paw. All in my tool bag, and took a tool belt too. Showed up in clothes that were nice enough for interview yet could be worked in in case he wanted me to.

I might be forgetting something, but that's all I. An remember off the top of my head.
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I'll fill that out soon.

I took a framing hammer with a checkered face, but he said they use nail guns and grind the face off those so they don't leave marks. I'm assuming they use them mainly for fascia and finish stuff that will be visible.

I also took a 30' tape measure, gloves, safety glasses, hearing plugs, pencils, lumber crayons, utility knife, combination square, speed square, drill, impact driver, chalk line, and a cats paw. All in my tool bag, and took a tool belt too. Showed up in clothes that were nice enough for interview yet could be worked in in case he wanted me to.

I might be forgetting something, but that's all I. An remember off the top of my head.
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