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Old 09-11-2020, 12:05 AM   #1
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Hand Cutting A Roof After A 10 Year Break


It's weird, but I'm actually pretty excited about cutting a roof again after 10 years of doing other things.

I designed this structure for a client and the builder was gracious enough to let me help work it. I really like to see if I am missing anything on the design side when I put together the plans.

Here's my personal cut sheet.

The F-I-S lengths are the diagonals....the other dimensions are the horizontal (runs). I'll try and get some pix tomorrow.

I helped with the rake walls earlier, they are ok.

I guess I have some weird sickness that makes FRAMING addictive to me
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I Still sport "wood" every time I drive past a stick framed roof. Mostly all there is here in North Texas. If my Spanish was better I'd hook up with a good crew just for grins and giggles. LOL All the "white boys" talk a good game but don't really know chit most of time when it comes to cutting a roof.

CAD takes all the risk out of it, tho. Manual calcs the night before and Mornings of the first day cutting, not much coffee needed.

Kind of sentimental over the long hand pafagereon calculation days and even all that turned into spread sheet calcs with sketches. Wouldn't willingly go back, although having the knowledge and even the spread sheet accessible on the phone has come in handy every now and then. With what little I do these days.

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Roof framing is what kept me in the game towards the end, always loved it.
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Nice work!

Sometimes I run those rake walls to roof sheething to help reduce wall movement. Still put a rafter at wall to kill draft if need be, but also gives a little forgiveness on rake wall irregularities; allows one to float sheething over rake wall to eave rake if need be.

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White people are so stupid and racist
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Roof framing is what kept me in the game towards the end, always loved it.
Yup
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Nice job, that's a fun one to frame. It's pretty much all stick frame here in MA. I framed for the first half of my career and truly enjoyed it. I Framed 1 house on my own and bought a lull.

I got out when guys were pricing frame/roof/siding for the price I got to frame. I was getting the same or less as my old boss I left in 2004.

We always shimmed our sills dead level, squared to the 16th and crowned studs ect. I've been told about a dozen times it was the best frame they had ever seen. Shame the trade has turned into a race to the bottom.

I still have the Lull. 10x12 addition, yeah were gonna need the forklift.
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so.

Murphy was on his game.

I typically lay my saw on the ground under the legs of my saw horse, out of the way....b-u-u-t-t, not this time.

I was sliding the LVL up onto the horse and it slid off and hit my saw. Bent the guard and deck pretty bad.

So to start the day off......cost me time and a replacement saw.
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More pix....HD was sold out of most of the wormdrive saws so I just replaced the Makita I had....I like it.


I shot more video than stills, so when I get that all compiled I'll share a youtube link. I wish I had being wearing the GoPro.....the saw smash probably would have been entertaining to some.....
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I'm not much at making it entertaining.....but here goes part 1.
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Whatís the string on the saw handle for?
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Same question here. I thought that picture was from 2001 or something.

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Whatís the string on the saw handle for?
Now Iíll have to watch the video.....I donít know what you mean by string on the handle.
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Now Iíll have to watch the video.....I donít know what you mean by string on the handle.
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Why does your common rafter layout start at a 5/8" overlap with the valley rafter? I've never worked on a roof like this, just curious.
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wow......I missed that by a mile.

I guess cordless would work, but I had big plans to cut all the jacks (that didn't happen) so I typically lean corded.

I will use both when I do all the jacks. I just created a different cut sheet layout to make it easier if I can't make it out there.


I'm just going to say it.....if I had broken my Milwaukee M18 Fuel 7 1/4" saw.....it would not have been pretty. Probably make for viral video content, but I would be more pissed than what actually happened, so there's that.
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Why does your common rafter layout start at a 5/8" overlap with the valley rafter? I've never worked on a roof like this, just curious.
I donít know what you mean. ⅝Ē isnít a number Iím tracking.

The layouts are 16Ē on center (run). The first (smallest jack rafter) layout is less than 16Ē because I have to join the peaks with one ridge being 2 inches thicker than the other (1Ē run each way from the 2x10 ridges)

The jacks are raised vertically at the point on contact with the valley so that the top of the jack (where the plywood goes) planes to the centerline of the top of the valley.

Did I figure out your question?
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I donít know what you mean. ⅝Ē isnít a number Iím tracking.

The layouts are 16Ē on center (run). The first (smallest jack rafter) layout is less than 16Ē because I have to join the peaks with one ridge being 2 inches thicker than the other (1Ē run each way from the 2x10 ridges)

The jacks are raised vertically at the point on contact with the valley so that the top of the jack (where the plywood goes) planes to the centerline of the top of the valley.

Did I figure out your question?
Oversight on my part. I was thinking the placement of the common rafter closest to the valley was specific, to help determine the termination of the valley at the bottom of the gable end rake. I completely ignored the fact that it's just a continuation of layout from the peak. I was trying to connect the 1/8" change in run with the overlap in that rafter and the valley rafter at the outside of the wall. I'm learning here... Good video by the way
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Done.

I just did the cutting....the team, Chad, Eric and the big man Chet installed it.

It gets a flat ceiling at 9' (9'-1 1/8" for framers)
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