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Old 01-15-2019, 07:56 AM   #1
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Hi. Let me start with the back story. My wife and I are building a cottage on a very limited budget at the moment. It’s 24x16 with an open loft. The front of the cottage will have a 4’ deck with a 6’ roof overhang for extra shelter. I don’t have a problem with anything other than how to frame in the support for the overhang. I will be using a ridge beam. Now the peak is simple as I just carry my ridge beam 6’ past the front wall, but what about the bottom of the rafters. How do I make this work? There will be 6x6 post on the corners of the 4’ deck that will hold up whatever I use to build the overhang.
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Is this just going to be a gabled end continuation of the main roof?

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Sounds like you just need a porch beam if I understand what you are trying to accomplish. It both supports the roof and defines the space. It also works out where the roof overhand is usually lower then the porch, again making the space feel more like a "room" with the ceiling higher than the houses soffits.

Occasionally you see a porch with the beam above and the overhang continues as the porch roof. It works but it looks a little less proportioned or elegant.
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Is this just going to be a gabled end continuation of the main roof?
What I was hoping to do is just continue the roof and leave it open.
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Sounds like you just need a porch beam if I understand what you are trying to accomplish. It both supports the roof and defines the space. It also works out where the roof overhand is usually lower then the porch, again making the space feel more like a "room" with the ceiling higher than the houses soffits.

Occasionally you see a porch with the beam above and the overhang continues as the porch roof. It works but it looks a little less proportioned or elegant.
If I understand you correctly, i should continue my walls top plate and support it on the end of the deck corner.
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I’m sorry I should’ve posted this in my first post so you get a complete understanding of what we want. Unfortunately these plans aren’t that good and don’t show me how they have this tied into the main roof. But I can see how continuing my top plate would allow me to set my boards from the ridge beam.
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it's not your top plates that will be extended but rather their height.

you need a beam calc'd for loads, tied into the house via plates/hardware,
then a post & footing on the other end.
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it's not your top plates that will be extended but rather their height.

you need a beam calc'd for loads, tied into the house via plates/hardware,
then a post & footing on the other end.
Ok this is exactly what I’m looking for. Could you elaborate a bit on it please. Proper drawings would show this to me but like I said we are on a budget and these plans are the best I have.
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how much snow you get?
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Just throw a couple of double 2x10's up there supported by the post on the end. There is no other way to do it .
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You are on a need to know basis here.
You could do it without headers, but it might get kind of complicated and it might be a little over your head.
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how much snow you get?
I’d say about 6 inches.
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Just throw a couple of double 2x10's up there supported by the post on the end. There is no other way to do it .
Yes that’s what I was thinking at first but figured I better ask someone, and what better place to ask. But the problem here is the inside of the cottage is going to be an open loft and it would look rather ugly to have them toe-nailed to the bottom of the other rafters.


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You are on a need to know basis here.
You could do it without headers, but it might get kind of complicated and it might be a little over your head.
No need for ignorance though. I came looking for advice and help not to be put down. I understand the concept of headers and load bearing. Because I’m not at this 30 years doesn’t mean I don’t have some understanding of it.
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Because Iím not at this 30 years doesnít mean I donít have some understanding of it.
Yet you have done nothing to establish your credentials as a professional contractor here. While it's our custom as a professional courtesy to offer advice to fellow contractors about work that is outside of their specialty, that usually comes after a bit of pre-qualification that shows you actually belong on this site.

We are not here to tutor DIY'ers.
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If you don't want toe nailing to show, either put solid blocking in to hide them, or use structural screws up through the top plate into the bottom of the rafter. Structural screws are faster, but they cost.
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Because I’m not at this 30 years doesn’t mean I don’t have some understanding of it.
Yet you have done nothing to establish your credentials as a professional contractor here. While it's our custom as a professional courtesy to offer advice to fellow contractors about work that is outside of their specialty, that usually comes after a bit of pre-qualification that shows you actually belong on this site.

We are not here to tutor DIY'ers.
Ok then. Thank you for that. I guess I’ll leave and get help elsewhere. I am a contractor and framing just isn’t my specialty. Not a welcoming community I guess.
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Ok then. Thank you for that. I guess Iíll leave and get help elsewhere. I am a contractor and framing just isnít my specialty. Not a welcoming community I guess.

There are tons of DIYers that pose as contractors.

Establishing bonafides is as simple as a link to your website, youtube video, something that shows you as a plasterer.

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