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Old 05-03-2011, 09:33 PM   #21
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.... when they were finished it was done.

Don't forget quality. That's what your reputation will be based on.
I named my business on this premise...
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:37 PM   #22
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Another vote for quality over speed.
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When I first got into building back in the 80's, I used a framing crew because one of the crew members was the husband of my wife's next door neighbor when she was in high school. They were all of German descent by way of Canada. There were six of them, all related one way or another. They spoiled me for life. They were efficient, fast and reliable. They had an incredible work ethic. They framed for me for about 6-8 years and then the oldest two retired and the crew split up and went into different trades/careers. They averaged about 1000 sq ft/day. That is, a 4000 square foot house (total under roof) would take 4 days. The thing I noticed most when compared to the other crews I used later was how little waste these guys had.
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I re-framed two 20" octagon window openings into 2 48"x40" openings today, I was like greased lightening.

Ok, I was more like rusty lightening but, they got done.
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I named my business on this premise...
I worked for a company in Seattle called "Ardun Construction" Everyone kind of made the tongue in cheek joke "we are done"
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where are the pics , tim horton is buried in a cemetery 3 minutes from my home


No time for pics, too busy working. :
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ok so 8yrs ago now, i ran a crew of 6 and we did a 2100sqft backsplit in 14.5 hrs, one long hot summer day. All hand cut roof too. at 830 that evening we were setting windows. And only infraction was forgot a hanger on a ceiling joist. That freaked some people out. I wouldnt even try that now, hurts me just thinking about it
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ok so 8yrs ago now, i ran a crew of 6 and we did a 2100sqft backsplit in 14.5 hrs, one long hot summer day. All hand cut roof too. at 830 that evening we were setting windows. And only infraction was forgot a hanger on a ceiling joist. That freaked some people out. I wouldnt even try that now, hurts me just thinking about it
I hope you remembered to bring the crew some beers after that :
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I was framing a basement last month and entered the basement around 7:30 am. We packed lunches that day and didnt leave until around 6:00 pm when we where finished framing and 1400 square foot basement. We were pretty proud of ourselves until we walked outside and what was in the morning a foundation being backfilled was now a home being sided and roofed at the same time. Wow, made us feel bad, but worse for the guy paying $260,000 for it.

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ok so 8yrs ago now, i ran a crew of 6 and we did a 2100sqft backsplit in 14.5 hrs, one long hot summer day. All hand cut roof too. at 830 that evening we were setting windows. And only infraction was forgot a hanger on a ceiling joist. That freaked some people out. I wouldnt even try that now, hurts me just thinking about it
i hired a crew who was real fast but they left out all the chrome. cost me big time and money to cut it in.
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well guess what it is Wednesday tomorrow,,,, so guess I am getting trusses at noon tomorrow for the one we started monday back to back weeks... but this one is 2094 sq feet lol but will take a couple days longer to finish just a bit more details on this one ... peace out going to bed cant believe I am on here it is 9:39 pm ouch ... later boys ....

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another vote for quality over speed

I've worked with a few guys who pride themselves on being "really fast" however their work is not something to be proud of a lot of the time.

Better to be "efficient" make good time, get a good amount in a day, and do a good proper job. Don't make the mistake of cutting corners to make speed a priority. If it takes a bit longer sometimes to do something properly, so be it

a framing crew may not carry this same opinion, however if you come to spend time putting in the doors and doing the flooring and trim, you will come to appreciate a quality framing job, IMO

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I was framing a basement last month and entered the basement around 7:30 am. We packed lunches that day and didnt leave until around 6:00 pm when we where finished framing and 1400 square foot basement. We were pretty proud of ourselves until we walked outside and what was in the morning a foundation being backfilled was now a home being sided and roofed at the same time. Wow, made us feel bad, but worse for the guy paying $260,000 for it.

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maybe it was a premade walls house..
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maybe it was a premade walls house..


I hope so. I wish I would of just watched them instead of working, probably would of learned a lot about how not to build a house.

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About 8 years ago, the company I was working for, hired an "expert framer" onto the crew - basically he was cheap and fast. We were doing mainly high-end residential additions.

All he did was frame - no windows, no doors, just frame.

So I was following a few days behind him in setting doors and windows on a large 2-story addition. Every single door and window r.o. had to be changed (to a larger size) because he couldn't read plans or a tape measure correctly - I dunno which.

I estimated I had a good years worth of job security just following behind him and fixing his mistakes. My boss claimed it was cheaper to have him frame it, then pay me to make the changes....I still don't know how doing things twice is cheaper...

I'm not the fastest framer, nor do I want to be, probably slower than a lot of guys on here - but I take pride in quality. Hangers nailed off correctly, collar ties spaced right, blocking installed, etc.

Focus on quality above all else, you have a lifetime to tweak things to become faster.
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I see every body want's to be fast, fast is great but you really have to be precise, I'll tell you why, yeh you can smoke the other guy's and do good work, but you wont do great work, if you get a job with 40 or 50 cookie cutter's , good for you, but you have to work have to make any money , unless your related to the contractor, when I finish framing a home , the same home mt competition frame's and it's time for the sheet rocker's to come in , the first thing they ask is who framed it??and then that determined the sheetrocker's and trim carpenter's bid, Soo in conclusion , when it got slow I got the house, and I was higher on my bid, when the home owner was picky and my builder wanted to deter problem's I got the bid, It all depend's on your pride, sometime's you want to say hell they get away with it so can I, but in reality, they usually have a guy or 2 going back fixing thing's ,!!!
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Tell us about the fastest framers you have ever seen, was it back in the day, or any framing stories, i hear some stories of crazy framing stuff and like i want it to be like that when i start working (again)

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It's like a pitcher, alot of guys/kids can throw fast, but they are not accurate because they're mechanics aren't good. Once they learn the mechanics they can concentrate on more velocity.

Alot of fast framers back in the day, but there quality was garbage. I wouldn't let them frame a shed or doghouse.
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Well,, I like to call the blow & go guys the kine that never look back and the title wave guys that catch every thing in one pass and when someone see you doing something you forgot... I have learnt the most from the old guys that do the most work with the least motion. Old man John who would plumb & line alone with a few sticks of 1x4 and sent me down to start the skirting around the bottom And then there was old man Toku from Okinawa my senpai who tought me to go down a street load of homes stacking the trusses, dam could that old man make us young guys look silly but I go for clean finnished work in one pass now over speed
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Reminds me of a hardwood guy I seen on a job once. He was hammer down , putting prefinish floor down then after he was done he spend an hour or two going back over it and cutting out all the bad boards he put in. Woulda been so much easier checking a little beforehand.
That's what I do with prefin flooring...takes a fraction of a second to loom over a piece before hammering it home. Just finished laying about 800 sqft of prefin exotic and I'm proud to say there are no problem boards, save for the ones in the reject (and extra shorts) pile. Framing is the same way...may take you a bit longer, but there is a limit to how fast you can go whilst still maintaining quality. Haun was all over it in terms of how to speed the process while maintaining high quality. Use your noodle!
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Yes Kent there was definately beer that night, and the day off the next day. Nick like everyone is saying here quality over quantity will more than likely get you more jobs and in the long run build a better name for yourself, Like for instance the house i was reffering to in the earlier post. I had to have udder and total faith in the guys i had to put everything perfectly where it had to be or the result could have been a disaster. Especially a hand cut roof. 1/4 out of square on floor or plumbing a wall. Could end of being an inch by the time you assemble your roof. One hip too long and one too short? Well if that is the case it wasn't worth the effort to go fast. Let me know if you understand what i am getting at. Not sure if i'm explaining that right.

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