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Old 07-18-2010, 06:26 PM   #1
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Why Is A Shaper Better Than A Router


Simple question, why is a shaper better than a big rougher, I am running a 3.5hp porter cable in a table but I need something stronger and more stable, how would that compare to a 1.5 or 2 or 3 horse shaper and why is a small hp shaper better than my 3.5 hp rougher? Is it the cutter, is it the rpm, what is it. And what do I need for my shop. My thoughts are 2, 1.5hp shapers, and one 3hp shaper.
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Shaper is faster, quieter, more powerful and way bigger selection of cutters. Not to mention it is easier to spell....JK.

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Neither is better - just depends on the application.

If you are in need of something to roundover stock and do window edge detail - a router table or small shaper would work.

If you are running large amounts of complex raised panel doors, or milling your own stock, then a large shaper.

I have a 1.5 hp shaper in my shop and a router table in my jobsite trailer. For on-site work the router table is indispensible, as is the shaper for shop work.

Out of curiousity, why are you thinking you need 3 shapers?
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Shaper is faster, quieter, more powerful and way bigger selection of cutters. Not to mention it is easier to spell....JK.



The hp on the router and the
shaper are in no way related.
Uses have been covered, but
a 3hp shaper likely ain't going
to plug into a 110V socket.
That's a big honker.
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actually a 5hp is ideal... you go less than 3- you may as well stick with the router- It is the weight of the armature in the motor that is one factor in comparing the two and most the the router's are usually rated at a "developed" hp Rating.. not constant. And if you can go 3phase in getting a shaper ~ go that route... ~they are much more efficient.

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If you are thinking of a three cutter set up for making stiles,rails and panels--Look in the Grizzly catalog
The have a three head unit that look interesting--along with all sorts of standard units.
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Weight and the induction motors are more powerful and smoother. You get cleaner cutting with them.
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Shaper is faster, quieter, more powerful and way bigger selection of cutters. Not to mention it is easier to spell....JK.
Am tired so just ran it through spell check, best grade I ever got on a spelling test was a d- so oh well, but thanks
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Neither is better - just depends on the application.

If you are in need of something to roundover stock and do window edge detail - a router table or small shaper would work.

If you are running large amounts of complex raised panel doors, or milling your own stock, then a large shaper.

I have a 1.5 hp shaper in my shop and a router table in my jobsite trailer. For on-site work the router table is indispensible, as is the shaper for shop work.

Out of curiousity, why are you thinking you need 3 shapers?
I would like to set up one tool each for rail, stile, and panel. So mistakes and adjustments are quick and easy, thinking 3hp for panel, and 1.5 for rail and stile.

We make a decent # of 1 3/8-1 3/4 doors for reproduction, and I would like to set it up and just work till the project is completed.
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If you are thinking of a three cutter set up for making stiles,rails and panels--Look in the Grizzly catalog
The have a three head unit that look interesting--along with all sorts of standard units.
I looked at that unit, but 3 shapers are cheaper, and in my option easer to mount power feeders to and place around the shop.
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and read Splinter.
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Depending on what you are doing and what your budget is will determine what you should buy. Are you making copies of doors that have larger profiles....shaper

Are you making 4 or 5 doors that don't need to be copies of anything.....router

You got $300-400 buck to spend.......router

You need to make full kitchens with multiple doors and speed is essential.....shaper
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If you are working with reproductions, then shapers are the way to go. It is much cheaper to have custom profiles milled for a shaper head.
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It makes a huge difference when milling really hard woods. We had some long leaf pine that we were remilling from old stock into flooring. Spent a day with a 1 HP shaper. Switched over to a 3HP JET shaper 220V. It was a game changer. Easily justified the cost of the shaper with the increased production.
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Router = shovel
Shaper = Excavator

Shaper is a high volume production tool that is build for 8hr a day work. Even though you can get some of the same profiles on a router as a shaper, the shaper cutters will last far longer as they have a larger cutting circle, more mass, and operate at lower RPM which means less heat. If you had a pile of stock to mill, a shaper with a power feeder will make even the highest end router look like a toy.

The shop I worked for had 3 shapers, a trusty powermatic 27 3HP for smaller profiles with a 3/4 spindle, a SCMI T110 with a tenoning table, and a Martin. That Martin was a sick machine, titling spindle, CNC fence, etc.

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this will do~Whitney DBL SPNDL Shaper ...in VGG - $1500 - ARN
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What do you all plan on doing with the shapers? If the only thing you want to use them for is doors, your plan of three different shapers doesn't sound terrible. But, there are a at least 3-4 different types of machines out that just for that purpose. I can't remember the name of the one I'm thinking of but I'll post it if I remember it.
If you think you'll use them for more than just door profiles, I'd maybe do two of the little guys but the third one would be a big boy, no less than 5hp with a decent sized power feeder. That way you could get a corrugated head and make base, casing, crown, etc. It's also relatively cheap to get custom knives made for them if you have to match existing trim details.
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We will use it for many things other than doors, but that wiill be a major use. We are buying a molding machine so no trim, but we make handrail, that is a 2 1/4" cutter cutting a max of 5/8" depth, and we run a lot of little stuff, T&G flooring, nosing for treads, 1" round over, stuff like that. Doors when not worth ordering, or when we are slow, some slab doors but few, and a bunch of normal router stuff. Dados for treads and the like.

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