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Old 11-21-2008, 09:37 PM   #101
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OK...I've got this horse here that I'm going to beat a few more times. I've been thinking about this for a few days. The question I personally keep getting back to is...if you run a company that subcontracts finish carpentry.....

Take for example other subs:

"I'm a...."

framing contractor
roofing contractor
plumbing contractor
electrical contractor

finish contractor???? finishing contractor???

and also

"I'm a...."

framer
roofer
sider
plumber

finisher?

it just doesn't sound......smooth, you know what I mean?

I'm just curious of what it should be called or what you would call it

Horse is dead now
Framer is this deep thought or something other.....are you trying to go somewhere with this. My head needs to see the direction! The horse may be dead, but the furry little bugger has a spirit....
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:38 PM   #102
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Framer is this deep thought or something other.....are you trying to go somewhere with this. My head needs to see the direction! The horse may be dead, but the furry little bugger has a spirit....
business cards. probably would have been nice of me to mention that...ohh about 80 posts ago oops. putting "finish carpenter" on a biz card describes me....but it does not describe a business....no?
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business cards. probably would have been nice of me to mention that...ohh about 80 posts ago oops. putting "finish carpenter" on a biz card describes me....but it does not describe a business....no?
I just about fell out of my chair......LOL
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I do not even hand out cards with my name on them, (Company name address and phone number, with the logo and other crap on it)if they do not know who I am then they likely do not care enough to even see what my title is.....
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putting "finish carpenter" on a biz card describes me....but it does not describe a business....no?
Well no, but technically/traditionally one's card serves to describe the person, not necessarily his business. You present your card to the butler so that he may inform his master who is calling, whether it be for business or pleasure.

But more responsively, "finish carpentry" would seem to be the term you're seeking, no? That describes your business; what you do. But that isn't what you asked for in the OP.
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Well no, but technically/traditionally one's card serves to describe the person, not necessarily his business. You present your card to the butler so that he may inform his master who is calling, whether it be for business or pleasure.

But more responsively, "finish carpentry" would seem to be the term you're seeking, no? That describes your business; what you do. But that isn't what you asked for in the OP.

I agree....
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I'm making too much out of it. A few beers and a movie gets my brain thinkin' in the wrong direction. Thanks for your patience. Buried the horse.

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If this post goes much longer we can all put "Old carpenter" on our cards.

Professional Carpentry, and then their is always Master carpenter.

I'm starting to like "Hood that knows wood"

Whenever I'm asked

I'm a proud carpenter
Some call me a master
From frame to finish
Sometimes I'll plaster
I have the tools
But I don't do it all
I follow the rules
But I don't have the gall
To promise the moon
But deliver you less
When I do your job
I won't leave a mess
What should you call me
When I'm at the site
The professional carpenter
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" ***, Finish Carpentry"
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my cards say i am a project manager, most days i feel like a baby sitter. once and a while i get to be a carpenter, some frame, mostly trim, and at the end of every job it seems i turn into a clean up laborer and threaten back charge every time. guess they called my bluff
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For my company cards I have designer and builder. My good buddy who works with us he has D.A. for the politically correct it is Design Assistant. For the guys in the trades it is Department Asshole!
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my cards say i am a project manager, most days i feel like a baby sitter. once and a while i get to be a carpenter, some frame, mostly trim, and at the end of every job it seems i turn into a clean up laborer and threaten back charge every time. guess they called my bluff
I am familiar with that. Reminds me when I did a dept store build out, a semi full of trim, 6 guys, 3 miter saws going all day and I was always sweeping or moving things. The Laura Ashley design team shows up and asks everyone where (the boss) was. They walked right past me because I was the only guy not wearing a toolbelt and I was pushing a broom.
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I'm serious. Do you call yourself a finish carpenter? Trim carpenter? Woodwork specialist? What about your company name?

When I was framing, I told builders "I am a framer, not a carpenter, big difference between the two" and that set me apart from others. I saw it in their face, their body language, they understood what I meant.

But saying "finish carpenter" doesn't seem to have that punch to me, no offense to others here who use that as their title. I'm looking for that "POW" factor. "Oh, he's not JUST a carpenter....he's one of these!"

You know what I mean? I'd like to hear your response to this and I really appreciate your feedback.
You say it best when you say "I told builders "I am a framer, not a carpenter, big difference between the two" and that set me apart from others. I saw it in their face, their body language, they understood what I meant". <~~ those words do say it all..
Framing you get that "POW" factor, because it is the life of a framer, big hammer and roll on, if you can't get it to fit, get a bigger hammer, POW, close enough. Not that it is a bad thing, being a framer or attempting to make fun of a framer, I still enjoy getting out there framing from time to time. The thought process is so much lower than with trim, finish, cabinets, ect. The tool cost to be a framer is so much less expensive as well. A 32oz Eastwing, speed square, tape, utility knife, good bag, stair buttons, framing square, worm drive, calculator, 20 lb sledge, dependable truck & driver's lisc, along with state lisc & w/c ins. And a few other misc items. you work outside, it is good healthy work, great for staying in shape, drink lots of beer after work, what more could one hope to do?
You picked up on their body language, their understanding because that is or was your focus, what you were looking for and maybe what they were looking for at the time as well.
Sometimes what we think we see in others, we see this because it is what we are looking for. The only one anyone has to impress is the one writing the check.
Each trade is equally important, from the laborer pushing the broom, to the most skilled trade needed to complete a project, as well as the one who writes the checks.
Framer seems to be what you are, who you are, what you enjoy, nothing at all wrong with that. That is why you notice the looks & body language when you say "I am a framer". It is what you are good / great at, stick with it, be proud of it and continue to better yourself. Just know there is not a trade out there that is "not" important.

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OK...I've got this horse here that I'm going to beat a few more times. I've been thinking about this for a few days. The question I personally keep getting back to is...if you run a company that subcontracts finish carpentry.....

Take for example other subs:

"I'm a...."

framing contractor
roofing contractor
plumbing contractor
electrical contractor

finish contractor???? finishing contractor???

and also

"I'm a...."

framer
roofer
sider
plumber

finisher?

it just doesn't sound......smooth, you know what I mean?

I'm just curious of what it should be called or what you would call it

Horse is dead now
How about:

so and so contracting
- Framing
- Siding
- Finish work

Now if all you do is finish work then what do you call yourself? I don't know, maybe that's why I've never seen a company advertise itself as a finish work company. It just sounds weak.
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Don't consider it an argument,
it's a discussion as long as
there's no name-calling.
I get ticked when I hear guys
call themselves "master" who
would be lost as soon as they
run out of factory milllwork.
An old guy who my Dad was in awe of,
who made his own molding planes
for crisake, once laughed his ass off
when someone asked him how long
it took him to be a master.
I guess since there really is no
standard anymore, I just fall back
on the old guild definitions.
Besides, modesty false or otherwise
is a mid-western virtue.
Don'tchaknow.
See, I do consider myself a master carpenter . After 30 years, and work in multiple regions of the US, milling entire houses trim packs of raw stock, Building doors, hand built windows, cabinets, furniture (basically another word that has gone by is housewright.) I do have students at my school, make my own tools, and an apprentice who has the spark to become great . So yes, I am a Master Carpenter.

To be on topic, I always considered it a finish crew.
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A trim carpenter is someone that can nail up paint grade doors, base, etc., and use numbetrous tubes of chaulking to fill his joints and cover his mistakes. A finish carpenter is a craftsman, as the name finish denotes. He works with paint grade or hard wood products and does a quality job of joining them together, without the need of excess putty or chaulking. To call a finish carpenter a trim carpenter or just a carpenter is a cut to his abilities. So don't call yourselves finish carpenters unless you really are. Old school, quality workmanship is the mark of a true finish carpenter.

And as for the term finish carpenter being weak! We use specific tools for our trade, not just a hammer and nail bag!

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A trim carpenter is someone that can nail up paint grade doors, base, etc., and use numbetrous tubes of chaulking to fill his joints and cover his mistakes. A finish carpenter is a craftsman, as the name finish denotes. He works with paint grade or hard wood products and does a quality job of joining them together, without the need of excess putty or chaulking. To call a finish carpenter a trim carpenter or just a carpenter is a cut to his abilities. So don't call yourselves finish carpenters unless you really are. Old school, quality workmanship is the mark of a true finish carpenter.
And you are??

A "Chaulker" ?

or ............



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chaulker, colker, applier of mastic...I thought that was the painters job?

Oh!!! You meant Caulker!!!! Sorry for the "misunderstanding".........

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