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Old 02-27-2013, 11:19 PM   #1
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I have a customer who is opening a new dojo on Monday and wants/needs a cabinet for everyone to put their shoes in before going inside. The final cabinet needs to stand 7' tall, 5' wide and 12" deep, with 72 cubicles (approx 10"x6"x12"). The cabinet will reside in an outside hall that faces WNW, the eve is about 8' wide. So even though this is an outside installation it will receive little weather or direct sun.
Customer's father, an architect, designed the cabinet and recommended clear-coated cedar. Around here, cedar is praised as the go-to rot/insect resistant wood for outdoor applications. I agreed that cedar was a good choice. I could get 1"x12", cut dados in the 3/4" for the vertical pieces and plane the shelves down to 1/2" thick.
Then I went to the local hardware store and saw what they had in stock. 90% were severely cupped, cracked or in another way unsuitable for building a nice piece of furniture. The salesman and I talked for a while going back and forth on several ideas, in the end I left empty handed.
There is a Cedar Supply lumber yard about a mile from my place, I'll visit with them in the morning when they open.
My brother suggested getting 2x12 and having the lumber yard mill, plane and sand the planks down to the right thickness.
The hardware store guy was leaning towards building them from A/B plywood and face them with cedar, coating each piece with spar urethane before assembling.

My first step in the morning will be to talk with the cedar supply guy but I'd like to hear if y'all have any opinions on how to do it.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:24 PM   #2
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How about Spanish Cedar. Good for outside. Or even White Oak, Mahogany, Sapelle, Ipe or Teak

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What is a dojo?

Why would you take off your shoes before entering the dept. of justice?
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What is a dojo?

Why would you take off your shoes before entering the dept. of justice?
Its the place of the way (a martial arts studio)
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I built the same thing for my kids TaeKwonDo center but it was indoors and way over engineered cuz all I could imagine was kids using it like a ladder. Used ply and screen moulding on the edges painted white.

I got nothing to help just find it interesting that others are building the same type of stuff for the same type of place.

BTW we dubbed it the shoe cubby.
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If the architect and customer wants cedar then that's probably what you should use.

It makes no sense to waste 2 by 12 stock by milling it down to 3/4" or 1/2" if that's what your brother suggested.

If you plan on milling the stock flat and straight yourself then just find a local hardwood supplier and buy 4/4 rough stock, or see if they have the time and ability to plane it for you.
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Youll have to tell them that if they're set on cedar, they'll have to wait until you get your hands on some.

Otherwise, you can build it out of something similar or plywood with a cedar face frame or nosing. Unfortunately, we live in a 'I want it my way and I want in now' society.
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You start milling, it gets to be an awfully expensive shoe cubby.
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I wouldn't want to do plywood in an exterior situation. Eventually it will degrade, much quicker than solid wood would.
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I wouldn't want to do plywood in an exterior situation. Eventually it will degrade, much quicker than solid wood would.
is it outside? I was assuming it'd be in an entryway? Definitely no plywood outside.
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I just got back from the Cedar Supply, we were able to come up with some changes to the design to make it work from cedar. The outer perimeter will be from 2x12 instead of 1x12. I'll mill them down smooth to closer to 1"-1.25" The verticals will still be 1x12, he had enough stock that we could cull through and find good ones. Also he talked me into buying 10' planks so I could cut the cracked ends off to find 7' good wood in the center of the board. The horizontal shelves are going to be two 1x6" pieces set side-by-side in the dado, flush with the front, a small gap between and behind. This does two things, first it's a shoe rack so this gives space for air to flow between cubicles and second allows me to use 1x6 instead of 1x12. The advantages is the 1x6 is less likely to cup and split and it's about half the price.

Yesterday I also decided to build this into two cabinets (3.5'x5') so each would not be too heavy to carry up stairs.
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Talked you into it hopefully means more money for materials in your pocket to compensate you. That's a 30% increase in materials.
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When I originally priced the project for the bid I had calculated $450+tax+markup for materials. His total was $420 including tax and including the 30% overage/scrap. So yes, I'm still within budget on materials.

He also sold me on using the stain/sealer that he sells instead of spar urethane that I had planned on using. He showed me some samples of various products used on his cedar and this sealer definitely looked the best of the options I had considered. The sealer was also included in all the $ above.

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Sounds like you have a plan in mind already, but I'd consider resawing 3/4" stock (Which on a lot of cedar is actually 7/8") to make approx. 3/8" thick shelves. It's only holding shoes and it would be fairly easy to just make 3/8" dados to slide them in. You'd need a band saw with a throat that could handle 10" wide stock, but cedar cuts like butter. I'd also most likely cut my pieces to their approx. size so you don't have to resaw a whole 10' board.
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I have a thickness planer DW734 that I can make them thinner. I had planned on taking them down to 1/2. I hadn't thought of cutting them in half. I don't have a bandsaw like that but I do have a few friends / suppliers with the bigger hardware that would do it for a small amount. I'll have to think on that.
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Don't screw this job up. The folks in the "dojo" will take care of you.
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Good news this evening. I've convinced them to give me more time, that getting this done for Monday's opening is really pushing it. Now I've got two weeks. So the stain will have time to dry before delivery.
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using those 1x12's may still cup down the road. defn seal all sides. you may already be out of the design phase, but taking that 1x12, ripping it down based on where the growth rings are then glueing the boards back together could reduce the future cupping. A cedar 1/2" board is pretty thin.... Post pictures when you're done
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I'm bummed. The client changed their minds and are canceling the project. They did agree to pay for my waisted time and restocking charge.
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There's one for the "things I hate" thread.

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