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Old 09-11-2019, 02:35 PM   #1
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Question On Spacing For Beadboard Ceiling


I was perusing the forum, reading up on what is recommended for beadboard ceiling installation but I didn't quite see an answer to my question.

I will be installing a 5/8" x 3" Douglas Fir, double bead in various lengths. I have leveled the ceiling and attached firing strips roughly every foot to accommodate the installation of the beadboard.

I will be using a 16g, nailing through the tongue. I happened upon a post, here that spoke of proper spacing so the board wouldn't fall off due to expansion issues. Though it never had a response and was a bit of an older thread, I thought to start a new topic on it in hopes of attracting some replies.

What is the proper spacing? 1/16th, 3/32nd's? seems like an 1/8 might be a bit too much.

Also, the space it is being installed in is not a controlled environment, ie; no AC in the summer so it will absorb moisture. Conversely, it will shrink in the Winter.

Additionally, the planks are to be painted and I saw a good recommendation in that thread I linked above, that it would be wise to finish the planks prior to installation. I am thinking to try to minimize the paint build up on the tongue though

Any and all response appreciated.

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Old 09-11-2019, 04:46 PM   #2
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16d nails?

Who recommended that?

Andy.

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...I will be using a 16g, nailing through the tongue... Thanks for your time.


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16d nails?

Who recommended that?

Andy.
that's a "g" not a "d"....
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Last one I did (tongue & groove), I left a 1/4" gap around the perimeter and toe-nailed the boards tight to each other. The 1/4" will allow for expansion.

I primed everything first then painted after it was done.

I used a piece of trim around the perimeter to hide the 1/4" gap.

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Back primed/sealed will hold paint better, far fewer, less variance in moisture levels, = longer lasting paint at visible surface. Seal ends and all cuts with a brush/rag.

Super anal would paint the purlines you are nailing to so, the nails don't release over the dry-wet cycles like a bad Las Vegas CSI plot.


Some sort of trim to cover panel growth and shrinkage, surely lumbermill has guidelines for successful installs.

Make sure porch attic space is well vented, "This old House" recommended a 1/4" each end allowance for swelling.
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The rules of laying hardwood flooring would also apply here. T&g wood can only expand towards the fastener side when blind nailed. It can only push a fastener out, not deeper. Wood expands minimal over length. Expansion gap depends on length of run. The longer the run, the more expansion gap is needed. On long runs, consider starting in the middle & using a blind spline & installing both directions to reduce the amount of expansion.
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To answer your question, nail that **** as tight as you can get it! I've put up miles of it and never left any space. I do leave a bit of a space on the ends at the wall as it usually get's covered with some sort of trim. Whoever told you to leave a space has never worked with Douglas Fir edge and center bead.
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..... I am thinking to try to minimize the paint build up on the tongue though

Any and all response appreciated.
Oh, that's an easy one - don't lick the paint brush.
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To answer your question, nail that **** as tight as you can get it! I've put up miles of it and never left any space. I do leave a bit of a space on the ends at the wall as it usually get's covered with some sort of trim. Whoever told you to leave a space has never worked with Douglas Fir edge and center bead.
so, there's no expansion/contraction with douglas fir?
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I don’t see much at my house.

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Unconditioned space, treehouse




1 x 6 blue stain pine, T & G

No gaps, small if any gap at ends.

No movement that I can see. Below freezing to 100*
Granted, The boards are only 13 feet in length.

IDK much about humidity where OP is, but in this environment, it doesn’t seem to affect much as far as wood swelling/contracting.




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FYI, The 1/8” Underlayment “shiplap “ Did expand a little bit. Put it in tight, and later had to kerf a joint into some long boards.


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I don’t see much at my house.

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Unconditioned space, treehouse




1 x 6 blue stain pine, T & G

No gaps, small if any gap at ends.

No movement that I can see. Below freezing to 100*
Granted, The boards are only 13 feet in length.

IDK much about humidity where OP is, but in this environment, it doesn’t seem to affect much as far as wood swelling/contracting.




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The boards that are fastened only on the under lap allow the sideways expansion to not add up, when nailed TO the NOMINAL width, not shoved "tight".....

Still need a plan for long ways temp/ moisture shrink-expansion.


I'd consider a cheap sheathing for the porch ceiling to reduce the beadboard's exposure to the very extremes of the attic space, maybe even a water proof(paperless) gyp board if you plan to cook or grill on the porch space.
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i have always put tight also . though used a 15g nailer ,2 1/2" .hand finish nails when i needed to get some extra movement .space at the edges of the wall as previously stated .did have one shrink . prepainting would of been helpful on that project .gaps really stood out . kinda concerned about those 16g nails being a bit light weight .put a few in and see how well they hold .
if you lay flooring you do not leave spaces ? do you .space is around the edge of the room .
wonder if this is a good place to use a radiant barrier .that would help block air leakage and maybe keep attic heat a bit lower . just a thought .
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To answer your question, nail that **** as tight as you can get it! I've put up miles of it and never left any space. I do leave a bit of a space on the ends at the wall as it usually get's covered with some sort of trim. Whoever told you to leave a space has never worked with Douglas Fir edge and center bead.
Usually the boards are still a bit green and tend to shrink during the first year in an exterior application. That's why I always run it tight, not reefed up with blocks and pry bars tight on every board. But snug overall and pull in the crowns to tight.

Done some narrow v-groove 3 1/2", you could see the paint lines where the grooves pulled away from the tongues. A year later.

Pre-Prime 4 sides and ends as they are cut, always seems to help on many levels. Top coat after install.
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Usually the boards are still a bit green and tend to shrink during the first year in an exterior application. That's why I always run it tight, not reefed up with blocks and pry bars tight on every board. But snug overall and pull in the crowns to tight.

Done some narrow v-groove 3 1/2", you could see the paint lines where the grooves pulled away from the tongues. A year later.

Pre-Prime 4 sides and ends as they are cut, always seems to help on many levels. Top coat after install.
Around here it doesn't move much so by the time the yard sits on it and we need it it's extremely dry, I have never painted it, just a natural finish.
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Around here it doesn't move much so by the time the yard sits on it and we need it it's extremely dry, I have never painted it, just a natural finish.
LOL yup lots more twisted crooked skanky chit to deal with too. Always seem to get a mixed bag of new(er) and old. Seen it bad enough I had to sort for widths. Not to mention differences if boards were milled at different times and or different mills. Did a crap butt load of bead board up in Wisconsin. High end renovations and such, turn of the century homes and buildings. So all that little chit counted.

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