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Old 07-26-2012, 11:18 PM   #41
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Hey Richard


Right,, It was all about how backwards old guy are and how great he was because he was young
Us old guys can do it backwards, forwards, standing on our heads...
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:18 AM   #42
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I like to number each wall example 1 to 100. measure each piece
example

1 26
2 87 5/8 rc
3 56 1/4 rc lom
4 36 rom
5 61 7/16 rc l i22
6 24 ri22 lo45
etc etc
A line gets drawn splitting up the rooms
long pieces get cut first, then shorts once all pieces are cut then it's a nail fest.
I know to deduct the thickness of the head of the base for copes .
I use a laminate trimmer and a mould to cut the copes fast and accurate. 4-5 seconds for a cope.
Need a young guy to crawl on the floor.
I love the drywall screw trick.
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I agree sketching the room is amateur kinda. Just make up a cut list working from one side to the other cut the pieces number them and install. I can't believe you guy's make it so complicated serious its probably paint grade ****. most high-end or stain grade sometimes scabbing the short points of outside corners is helpful but sounds easy
Wow I didn't realize I was an amateur because of the way I make my list. You must be one of those carpenters who thinks they are better than everyone else. Really whats wrong with doing it the way I do it? Do what is best for you & don't knock others just because you do it a different way. I make a picture because its easier to visualize my cuts that way. Those dam framers must all be amateurs to because they have to look at a picture with measurements as well.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:13 AM   #44
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I use a laminate trimmer and a mould to cut the copes fast and accurate. 4-5 seconds for a cope.
I've thought about doing it this way a bunch of times, just never set up to do it. Never decided which detailed way would work best.
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Funny thing about those old timers
they can see a problem and know 5 ways to fix it while some wannabee know it all's are still scratching their heads
we all learned from someone with more experience than we had
I am always great full when someone more knowledgeable offers their advice
so to all the old timers here(and not so old timers) thanks for sharing your wisdom
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Quite a few good nomenclature methods have already been mentioned,
but I'll add one more to the mix.
I like simple to write, & hard to confuse.

b = Outside corners are bevel cuts. 90' corners are assumed to be
45's, others are labeled at their miter degree.

c = cope....always on the right side.

No label is assumed to be 90's, with no marking.

As far as clockwise vs counter, I don't think it matters, other than if you do right copes, you install counter clockwise.

We used to do 2 guys to measure a floor at a time. Rooms were broken off with a simple line on the list. We found that two guys measuring was faster than 1, with fewer measuring mistakes, & a whole lot easier. The guy holding the dumb end did the writing. Once measured, anyone could do the cuts from the list.

A typical small bedroom with a simple closet might look like this.
100c
140c
136c
6b
b 4 3/4 b
b 6 c
24c
70c
24b
b100

Basically, b for bevels, & c for cope.
90's are assumed otherwise.
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Well thats nice and simple as well.
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afraid that I'm a "map" person as well. I use my hilti pd43 laser measurer and a tape. I write it down next to it's wall on my map.

Measure the whole project, label each wall (front room 1, etc) then enter it into a spreadsheet, and sort for length.

From that I can figure out how many 16' pieces I need, and I cut the longest ones first, down to the shortest.

Cope everything in sight. I usually have a few extra inches on each piece, no problem though a quick re-check off of an installed piece and off we go.

I angle cut the non-coped end, as many times the drywall mud guy has built up the mud at the bottom of the wall. I generally cut it about 5 degrees back. The next coped piece will cover the gap.

I actually prefer to do crown more than baseboard, somehow it's easier and no crawling around on the floor! I also push a small makita saw around the floor with me to tune up those pieces that don't quite fit.

And ya I'm sixty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just.
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Some have talked about drywall screws in the corners, I do the same only with roofing nails, that way if it's out a little a tap with hammer and a scrap of wood sets it right. Just another way
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Do you guys shim out the base to square the corner, plumb the base or both?
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Usually just plumb.
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Imagine if you will, a 7 thousand square foot house. In that house, there is a fair amount of drywall, with " hard edge" 7" from the floor. (and against the door jambs, windows etc)

we cannot nail through the walnut baseboards, it's a finished surface. Solution? use PL premium on the back of the baseboard, and put it in place. Then use two tapered wedges in the 1/2" vertical gap to force the baseboard to the floor over night until the PL kicks.

and the baseboard has to be in line with the hard edge

so that's what I've done the last four weeks, today till noon working on installing the same material on the wall next to two sets of stairs.

9' material delivered, I needed 14'. sigh..... LOL my domino and kreg jig come to the rescue! I think. I've got the template made, monday I cut the real stuff.

MDF baseboard? that's kid stuff LOL


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Oh yeah, we'll I'm doing 3 1/4 paint grade so step off and respect!

Since we will be done in less time than you we may crank out the domino as well. Not sure why you guys think your so special with these green Domino's they sell them at Walmart. While I'm there maybe I'll get a new tool too!

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Probably think I'm nuts, but I measure the whole floor, most times the whole house. I pick a point, whether it's where the baseboard ties into the skirt or the front door, then measure around the house until I get back to starting point. Drawing lines at doorways along the way. I'm young yet (35) work by myself, & have to be very efficient to keep schedule. Also mostly new construction. I also cut the baseboard out upside down to save time on coping. Written down in a list form, measurement followed by left/right cut. C - cope, I for square, 46 & 24 for outside corners, 21 for inside obtuse, R for self return. Typical 2000 ft house, done in a day. Stabila laser measure saves time, big time.
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Even fewer walking steps than measuring room by room. Thanks!
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I don't think anyone "missed" him
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I work around the room clockwise & take all measurements before heading to the saw. Works for coped corners too, just measure to the long point before making the cope.
same here. measure wall to wall
make a list of all rooms after they've been measured
mark #1 and measurement on 1st piece
#2 is next piece clockwise around the room... #3, #4 and so on

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What ever way you deceide to do it , knee pads are also a good idea.

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