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Old 05-26-2016, 04:18 PM   #1
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What order do you attack a house in?

Do you complete a floor at a time? Example: doors, base, and case 2nd floor, then repeat process for first floor, then repeat for basement.

Especially for basements, there is room to set a saw up and maneuver materials so it makes sense to complete the whole process so as not to move a saw more than once. Second level is more of a coin toss as I'm usually cutting in the garage by material pile.

What is your order of tasks?

1 Doors
2 Door Window Casing, Cased openings, pocket doors
3 Baseboard
4 Stairs
5 Built Ins
6 Crown molding
7 Ceiling Treatments, Coffered ceilings, ship lap on cathedrals, beams, etc

I like to start a job by setting doors. Its a mindless task that gets momentum going, gets you acquainted with the job, and frees up space in the garage.

From there I have been jumping to either base and case or ceiling treatments. Not having stairs, built ins, columns etc completed prevents baseboard from being intalled in full. However, it seems to make sense to leave stairs go to the end so there isn't damage carrying trim up and down them.

I'm considering moving built ins to the front of the job. If I wait until the very end I'm low on energy and I just want to be done after weeks on one house.

I've been leaving the garage/garages to the very last. Seems like the new thing is to have two garages.

Feel free to chime in with thoughts even if your not a trim sub per se.
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For efficiency:

Move material as little as possible.

Move tools as little as possible.

For sanity:

Do what you want to do least first. Get it out of the way so you re running downhill.

So yeah, top down. Doors, built ins, base and case.

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I like to jump on the base after setting the doors. Yeah, you can't finish it off until you get around to the stairs and doors, but you can cut and cope the last pieces and get some of the monotony out of the way. It also lets the electricians finish out sooner if there are receptacles in the base.

I don't find myself doing many ceiling treatments. Around here I'm exposing beams more often than I'm building faux ones. I've still never hung a piece of interior crown in a room other than a kitchen.

I'd like to be assembling window and door casings in the shop rather than on-site. Fewer tools to bring back and forth, less time spent at the site, hopefully fewer errors driven by hurrying through the day or working too many hours. Shop's not ready yet (no doors or windows or tools) but hopefully it will be this summer.

I would prefer to be a full-time trim carpenter but I guess I'm really a renovator. My trim schedule is unfortunately dictated by how many other trades I need to self-perform.

I do built-ins last, actually after the house has been turned over. The clients I've had that wanted custom built-in work didn't know exactly what they wanted and appreciated a little time in the house to figure out what needed to fit inside, on the outside, above or below, etc. Built-ins haven't been a big part of my business yet but I'm hoping to change that - inspired in part by a lot of your pictures, Spencer.

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We are usually doors, casing on doors, casing on windows, base, built in if any and stairs.

We set the cabinets too so those are first before any trim in most cases.

We don't do a lot of ceiling treatments either.

We have a 3 man crew. Most times we divide and conquer. Our helper keeps my partner and I going and follows behind cleaning up, cutting off shims, installing locksets, etc.
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Doors, casing, base (where there will be carpet), shelving. Crown and built ins? I wish! What you guys are calling built ins is where we would probably just install cabinets. When the rest of the flooring is installed we will go back and install the rest of the baseboard.
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How did that old saying go....
Floor doors base and case.
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How did that old saying go....
Floor doors base and case.
How do you do the base before the case?
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There is 2 of us on each job so one sets doors while the other sets sills/extensions on windows, then case/base, crown/ceilings, and built-in install / stairs. We cut the built- in parts ahead of time in the shop and assemble onsite. So depending on if there is time before the job is ready we come day 1 with the built in parts so in that case its doors and built-ins on day 1..which is what I prefer just depends if it works with the schedule..
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How do you do the base before the case?

Use a short piece of casing against the door jamb with your desired reveal and run your base to that. Or cut the piece an inch long, cope it, and set it aside to nail in place later.
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Do you find it faster to base before casing? I was taught to set cabinets, build closets, hang doors, case, base, and do window sills last. So the idea of doing base before casing is kind of blowing my mind here.
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Crown
Doors
Casing
Base
The built ins can just fill in at any point.
I just think this is the best was and your less likely to beat the hell out of the base and casing when rolling around scaffolding for crown.
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Do you find it faster to base before casing? I was taught to set cabinets, build closets, hang doors, case, base, and do window sills last. So the idea of doing base before casing is kind of blowing my mind here.


I didn't take it as being serious. It doesn't make any sense.
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Do you find it faster to base before casing? I was taught to set cabinets, build closets, hang doors, case, base, and do window sills last. So the idea of doing base before casing is kind of blowing my mind here.

No, it's not efficient. Sometimes you just gotta keep moving forward, though.
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Cut casing and window parts
Case windows
Hang doors
Case doors
Stair parts (open rail or caps)
Built ins
Base out

I will work floor to floor sometimes, depends on my mood. I generally like to stay on one task at a time, so I only have certain tools out.


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when my father and i trim out a house, we start upstairs, he hangs doors, and i follow behind with caseing, base, chair rail, ect. after thats done we do the crown together, last is stairs and the kitchen. im still learning stairs so usually i do alot more listening and watching then actually working that day.
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Crown
Doors
Casing
Base
The built ins can just fill in at any point.
I just think this is the best was and your less likely to beat the hell out of the base and casing when rolling around scaffolding for crown.
We have a winner! I was thinking wow I've been doing it all wrong until this cat chimed in. I don't like walking through doors belted up... I'd prefer to crown, window casings, majority of base then closets, then room doors. I know it seems like a lot of punch out filling in after doors but that's how I like to waddle through trim outs.
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We have a winner! I was thinking wow I've been doing it all wrong until this cat chimed in. I don't like walking through doors belted up... I'd prefer to crown, window casings, majority of base then closets, then room doors. I know it seems like a lot of punch out filling in after doors but that's how I like to waddle through trim outs.
Eh (shrug).... you gotta do what works best for you. These guys and gals always have good stuff to say but in the end it is about how you run. Although I feel if you don't give other ways a shot once in a while you might be loosing out.

When doing trim, I never "belt up". First off I am a wide bodied model of carpenter, so fitting through tight spaces with a belt is a no go. Personally I don't like wearing a belt. Never have. I prefer to have stuff in my pockets. Larger items and nails are in my L-Boxxes on a dolly. So I roll that around. It is what works for me.
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There are exceptions to every rule, but...I hang all doors first. Hinge side gets screws behind hinge leaves before setting margins on top and latch jamb.

I prefer to let the doors hang as long as possible before casing, just in case there is swelling/shrinkage due to acclimation issues. Coastal areas can do ugly things to unfinished trim components.

Crown next, then windows, followed by door casing and baseboard.

I work one floor at a time to prevent moving tools more than necessary, as well as wasted steps to the saw.

Many times, I run two saws. One in a location where long material can be handled and one on a quickstand that can be moved easily from room to room to prevent time lost running to the saw for miter tweeks on casing.

Some jobs require more than two saws to be efficient...
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