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Old 06-27-2015, 02:54 PM   #1
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Got the Festool planer with undulating head and made a sample up for HO and architect. They loved it. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.)

Mostly used the planet, RAS, chisel, and awl for holes.

I'm going to mill to size, set up the foreman and biscuit jointer, made the holes and slots, distress, assemble, distress corners/edges post assembly, and install.

Also talked them into letting me do three sections per 17' beam and cover the splice with iron strapping. That should make the job a lot easier.

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I wouldn't bother planing any of the lumber before gluing up wraps (if you have to).

Straps cover inconsistencies, the grooves look out of place.

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They could have just bought real beams. Place up here sells them cleaned up for pretty cheap.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I guess so, to me it looks very fake. Does not look aged.
Can the grooves. Needs to be power wire brushed.

When I get wood for fake beams cut they cut it on a horizontal band saw and increase feed rate and/or send it through a wire brush machine. Takes them 20 minutes to do 100 ft for my last order
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They could have just bought real beams. Place up here sells them cleaned up for pretty cheap.

The only piece I have to plane is the inside of the bottom piece to give something flat for the sides to fasten down to.

The grooves in the center picture are going to be chiseled to look like cracks.

There was no provision made to attach real beams. I barely have what I need to get fake ones up there.

I just roll with it and do the best with what they put in front of me.
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Not to be negative but do you know the look of what it is that you're attempting to replicate.
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I guess so, to me it looks very fake. Does not look aged.

Can the grooves. Needs to be power wire brushed.



When I get wood for fake beams cut they cut it on a horizontal band saw and increase feed rate and/or send it through a wire brush machine. Takes them 20 minutes to do 100 ft for my last order

Seems like you're talking about more of a rough sawn look. I'm going for more of an actual aged hand hewn beam. My cracks need some work but I feel they are important as the imitate the actual affects of an aged beam. Not sure how eliminating them makes it look more aged.

These picks are of the beams of the barn behind my house as of now. I think the inconsistent (not flat) texture, cracks, and hewn marks are the most important characteristics. And of coarse the bug holes.

This is a pice of sawn lumber on my barn. Not the look we're after.

I was thinking of using a wire brush attachment on a grinder to give more of a consistent texture but wasn't sure I needed the extra step and thought it would take a lot of time. I'll give it a shot. I assume you're talking about going with the grain with a 1" wide wheel?
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Not to be negative but do you know the look of what it is that you're attempting to replicate.

It's alright. I was fully aware when I started the thread and posted picks the critisism would begin. I'm all ears to what would make them better. But like I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I can make it look as historically authentic as I want...if the HO and archy don't like it...it really doesn't matter.
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The pictures that you showed of the beams behind your house shows two different styles of doing a beam. Of the style that your are tempting to replicate you will notice that there is a system that was used when they made it. There is consistency in the manner of which they approached the work. While the beam behind your house was done with an axe what you're attempting to show with something that would have been done with an adz. You may wish to look at some pictures online of projects that have been done with an adz and attempt to have more consistent pattern.
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The pictures of the inside of your barn are really neat .................I'm a city boy but always loved the barn look .That look is really taking off in my area and so are the prices . Good luck with your project .
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The texture with the scallops looks good. The fake cracks will always look fake, especially when natural cracks form. I would skip them and add some random chop marks and some scallop chip outs.
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I guess so, to me it looks very fake. Does not look aged.
Can the grooves. Needs to be power wire brushed.

When I get wood for fake beams cut they cut it on a horizontal band saw and increase feed rate and/or send it through a wire brush machine. Takes them 20 minutes to do 100 ft for my last order
rrk can you recommend the yard that you use for your beams .
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Ehhh.....the more I look at the "cracks" that I put in with the RAS...the more I blush. Those need some work. I think I'll skip the RAS and use the chisel. I think they look much more real with the chisel.

One other thing was that they had told me beforehand that they didn't want "deep" chisel marks (awle/axe), so I couldn't get to carried away with making it look like what I showed from my barn. They also didn't want anything that was to consistent.
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Just use the planer, keep it simple.
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It is much easier to duplicate simple, especially when there are many pieces to duplicate. Otherwise the first one does not look like the last one.
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I like the first and last picture, needs a little work but for fake aged beams I think they look pretty good (middle picture I think looks overdone). Hard to fake a crack, would have to see it a little bit further in the works.
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It's alright. I was fully aware when I started the thread and posted picks the critisism would begin. I'm all ears to what would make them better. But like I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I can make it look as historically authentic as I want...if the HO and archy don't like it...it really doesn't matter.
Those are the only opinions that really matter. Please them & tell everyone else to phuck off.

I think your on the right line, keep after it.
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I think your on the right line, keep after it.
Then don't ask for opinions
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I think the grooves running across the grain look pretty decent, so long as they're nice and mellow and used sparingly. The "bug holes" are a nice touch, and the work with the planer looks pretty good. I don't like the grooves running with the grain though, they look a little out of place and over done imo.
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Those are the only opinions that really matter. Please them & tell everyone else to phuck off.

I think your on the right line, keep after it.
It's one thing for the homeowner not to know anything, that's why they hired you. They assume that you and the architect know something. In this case I wonder about the architect.

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