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Old 12-11-2012, 09:12 PM   #1
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I have a cleint who built a log cabin some years back, and then had an accident with trimming a tree, and now is confined to a wheel chair. My flooring guys installed 3/8 Laminate flooring in this log cabin. They have asked me to come up with some sort of "Base shoe" to cover where the flooring and the logs meet/gap. I have looked about everywhere with little to no luck. There are also a couple of places where the shoe/molding would need to bend around some logs(picture attached). The client would like these done in pine not flexible plastic molding.

Anyone every tried to shoe a log cabin? From what I saw not every run was similar, meaning the logs were at different heights to the floor, so not sure the molding could be the same.

Give me some ideas or thoughts.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:14 PM   #2
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If it all looks as uniform as what's in the picture, why do anything?
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IMO, doing anything to it will just draw your eye to it. I would leave it alone.
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I have had good luck with rubber moldings for difficult radius trim outs. They can be painted and stained with great success. I would get rubber shoe and install only the shoe. Then stain with a gel stain.

I have purchased the rubber shoe through a flooring supplier, and I have purchased rubber casing through one of the lumber yards I use.

They come as a gum type color.
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If it all looks as uniform as what's in the picture, why do anything?
They are not all uniform around the walls.

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IMO, doing anything to it will just draw your eye to it. I would leave it alone.
The client does not like the look of the gaps between the logs and the laminate, plus he does not want to use caulk.

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I have had good luck with rubber moldings for difficult radius trim outs. They can be painted and stained with great success. I would get rubber shoe and install only the shoe. Then stain with a gel stain.

I have purchased the rubber shoe through a flooring supplier, and I have purchased rubber casing through one of the lumber yards I use.

They come as a gum type color.
I was trying to stay away from rubber or plastic moldings.
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scribe the radius on 1x pine stock. run it through the band saw and round over the edge on a router table... tons of work but its the cleanest way to do it.

Can't you make the pine shoe flex enough to conform to the wall logs?

Also, I have seen some log homes that undercut the logs and fit in a piece of matching small logs, ripped into quarter round, to cover the gaps in the floor... still a lot of work.
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Could you notch the logs to receive the flooring? It is the cleanest looking way to do it.
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Chinking is more flexible than caulking. Comes in many colors. And, is common place for log work. Or, under cut the logs and tuck the flooring as suggested.
Here is a pic of chinking to the floor. You can also vary the size of the joint. If installed correctly you can make very clean lines.
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Have to agree with Mr. D.; chinking is the most practical solution.

Scribing is the most elegant, but extremely painful to the wallet.
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Try rope pinned or stapled to the logs. Flexible, rustic looking. Sometimes works well.
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+1 for notching the logs to receive the flooring.
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You could use flex molding for that.

http://www.flexmolding.com/flextrim2.asp

http://www.flexmolding.com/BuyingGuideMiscMolding.pdf
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I'll second the suggestions to undercut the logs and tuck the flooring into it. We did this with decking on a log cabin deck several years ago and it worked out well and looked really clean.

In the same cabin, we installed miles of T&G on the walls and ceilings, meticulously scribing around hundreds of logs(all exterior walls and a few interior walls were logs, but many interior walls were standard 2X construction. These got covered in T&G).

I got to see the cabin about 8 months later. All of the logs had shrunk dramatically, leaving 1/4" gaps at all of our scribes. If we had used the same undercuting technique that we used for the deck, they still would have looked perfect.
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I have a cleint who built a log cabin some years back, and then had an accident with trimming a tree, and now is confined to a wheel chair. My flooring guys installed 3/8 Laminate flooring in this log cabin. They have asked me to come up with some sort of "Base shoe" to cover where the flooring and the logs meet/gap. I have looked about everywhere with little to no luck. There are also a couple of places where the shoe/molding would need to bend around some logs(picture attached). The client would like these done in pine not flexible plastic molding.

Anyone every tried to shoe a log cabin? From what I saw not every run was similar, meaning the logs were at different heights to the floor, so not sure the molding could be the same.

Give me some ideas or thoughts.
Just my personal tastes but I would do a mix between Chinking/putty and a more typical shoe. Use the typical shoe along the straight runs and corners, then just have it dive straight into the curved logs. Where the curved logs meet the flooring, I would either permachink or fill with putty.

edit: You point out that the owner would like the molding to be done in pine and not flexible plastic molding. Fair enough, but imagine the work it would take to try and get pine shoemold to conform to those tight curves. I would try to appease them by using pine on the straight runs. If they insist on having the same look continue around the curved logs, then it may be easiest to recreate the molding using fiberglass/resin/ airbrushing combo or some other type of hollywood magic material that allows you to sculpt or replicate with. You may have to hang up the tool belt and break out the arts and crafts bag.

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+1 for notching the logs to receive the flooring.
I think this could be a good idea it the flooring wasn't already installed, which it looks to be.
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I'll second the suggestions to undercut the logs and tuck the flooring into it. We did this with decking on a log cabin deck several years ago and it worked out well and looked really clean.

In the same cabin, we installed miles of T&G on the walls and ceilings, meticulously scribing around hundreds of logs(all exterior walls and a few interior walls were logs, but many interior walls were standard 2X construction. These got covered in T&G).

I got to see the cabin about 8 months later. All of the logs had shrunk dramatically, leaving 1/4" gaps at all of our scribes. If we had used the same undercuting technique that we used for the deck, they still would have looked perfect.
I'm really curious as to what tool(s) and techniques you used to create an undercut or a dado in the bottom of the logs to receive the decking.

I imagine that the decking was not already in place, as the OP's flooring seems to be. I also imagine there was no subflooring beneath the decking as there likely is in the OP's case. I would also imagine that the cuts were made before any band boards or joists were added to the sub-structure of the deck.

Does anyone have a tool/technique that would work to cut a consistent groove along the bottom of a log that sits on top of an installed floor? Please share.

edit: The best and most efficient way I could imagine to create a groove in the bottom of the logs to accept the flooring, would be to make the cuts before the logs are ever installed on the subfloor. In other words, planning ahead of time instead of trying to resolve the issue afterwards.

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You could create a groove with a jamb saw.
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Do they make dado cuts as well?

It would likely need to be a 3/4 inch wide groove- minimum.


I've always wanted to try one of these babies out...
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I dont know if there is a dado blade set for a jamb saw but the way I figure it, in a pinch, a person could make multiple passes with a template or shim on the base at an 1/8 or 3/16 at a time. I will admit Ive only used one a couple times.

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