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Old 09-17-2016, 08:32 AM   #1
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How Would You Do Stairs?




I'm doing two flights with risers already installed laying down 3/4" x 4" oak.

The slightly off angles are time consuming, so I started undercutting the risers, which helps. Still each angles tread is taking about 45mins.

Any tips for speeding production? I started keeping the tread returns at 90 degree angles which helped.

Anticipating glueing/nailing will be an issue as strip flooring is not always straight and I don't have a riser to hammer against.

At least this set of stairs is solid oak, last weeks job was engineered with a curved landing-no fun bending that stuff!


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I sub that out.

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Don't like angles?... Create a landing...

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I sub that out.
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Make templates out of drywall shims.

Make up a blank, set template, trace, cut.

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like the granite guys do, with hot glue? I didn't think of that!
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like the granite guys do, with hot glue? I didn't think of that!
Yes.

I do it often for many applications (including solid surface counter tops).

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I sub that out.
I'd slap some chit in there, call it good, and cash the check... The builder won't know any better...

Wish I could be of more help Paul, I haven't run into one of those stair situations yet.
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They have to be code compliant, and this staircase is not. You have to meet winder requirements, etc. Call a stair company and have them make the stairs, install them and charge accordingly, unless you know carpentry and can do your own calculations and layout out to built them onsite.
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They have to be code compliant, and this staircase is not.

There isn't enough information to say one way or another. Is this a required egress? Is it a repair or whole new? What code section applies depends on the answers to those questions
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There isn't enough information to say one way or another. Is this a required egress? Is it a repair or whole new? What code section applies depends on the answers to those questions
At least here winders have a 6" minimum tread width at the narrow end. But if it's repair, we can do whatever we want!
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They have to be code compliant, and this staircase is not. You have to meet winder requirements, etc. Call a stair company and have them make the stairs, install them and charge accordingly, unless you know carpentry and can do your own calculations and layout out to built them onsite.
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Looks like he is redoing treads on an existing stair case with the same type materials. Not rebuilding stairs. One foot walk line rule doesnt apply to old condos. Here that is legal all day in all municipalities, not sure about Jersey.

Change one riser and and you have to bring into compliance. Even if you change materials you could be made to bring into compliance.
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That's a dangerous set of stairs.
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I have built curved stairs before but wasn't aware of the code re winders.

Was looking for tips on speed. Undercutting the risers on the winder treads and ripping the back off the straight treads is speeding things up. Taking about two days per flight of steps for the cutting, makes me feel inadequate lol

In other news, used the domino to join two pieces of nosing...man oh man the come together nice! Made me realize the Kapex is off a fraction of a degree though.


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At least here winders have a 6" minimum tread width at the narrow end. But if it's repair, we can do whatever we want!
Here, repairs on required egress elements must be to at least the code for existing buildings and lifesafety101. That means you may have to pull a permit to repair a single step if it's a required egress element.

Depends on the AHJ, though - lots of variation in how this is called.

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hey they take time ,you are probable doing fine .sure you'll pick up tricks [and forget them by the next similar project] ,but it is a slow detailed job .If it was easier you wouldn't see as much sloppy details as you look at other jobs . I would have to do some serious slowing down to do that work right now . does sound fun though
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Template & track saw makes short work of a project like that.
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Have to be careful this days doing something and thinking it falls under "Grandfather Law"

Municipalities concerned with building and public safety when it comes to egress, stairs, fire codes, etc.
Many municipalities have ordinances,and power to override "grandfather law" based on the circumstances.

Keep in mind,there is no such thing as an inherent or vested right to imperil the health or impair the safety of the community or occupants of the dwelling current or future.

So what does the term "grandfathered in" or "grandfather rights" mean? The most common interpretation of the term means that "something that was once permitted in building codes can continue to be, although the code or law is changing all the time"

The reason why the code is changing is because when building materials and practices become being part of the building code, these codes based on " structural integrity,health or safety" and I doubt there is grandfathered clause anywhere to exclude that.
Codes change all the time and a few examples of the code when it comes to health and safety which changed and not not grandfathered in, like window egress size, deck rails and spacing, electrical things ground fault intercepts and grounding things, smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors, stair egress and fire escape egress, etc.

So in any case, you can do a small repair on something that is existing, its ok... but when you do the overhaul on the entire stairway, it might be ok at the time, but if someone takes a dive and gets seriously hurt, you have to ask yourself "will you be protected under "grandfather law"?!
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So in any case, you can do a small repair on something that is existing, its ok... but when you do the overhaul on the entire stairway, it might be ok at the time, but if someone takes a dive and gets seriously hurt, you have to ask yourself "will you be protected under "grandfather law"?!
There is no such thing as grandfathering under Lifesafety 101. None. IRC covers how to build things, Lifesafety covers how it must exist today.

If it's already built, and no work is being done on it, it is still required to be modified to meet current Lifesafety. Some AHJs are much more strict on this than others.

Required means of egress have a special place in all this. The requirements are set not primarily by occupant safety, but by the needs of the first responders. Stairs that are safe by an occupant standard aren't necessarily what a first responder carrying 100 lbs of equipment, or dragging a hose in a smoke filled building is going to need. That is one of the reasons that circular stair cases aren't allowed as a building egress stair, but is allowed between floors within a unit under Lifesafety.

Don't ask me why I know all this stuff, it gives me a headache.

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