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Old 07-13-2012, 11:06 PM   #1
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I was talking to TBFGohst yesterday about set rates for single rooms of crown, rooms smaller than 16 x 16 with 4 inside corners and not difficult to access to hang and a place to set up and work. i wanted to know how it was working for him...

Tom brags he can be pulling out the driveway in 1 hour flat with caulking and hole filling. That sounds impressive, figure almost 2 hours for me for the same scope.

so is tom exceptionally motivated, or am i just a slacker!
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:08 PM   #2
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oh, and we are talking 4 5/8 or maybe 5 5/8 primed FJ or even MDF either OG or unique (UC)

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I think an hour is pushing it. The crown install is the quick part, I could have all 4 measurements, sticks cut and coped in under 20 minutes. The thing that eats up time is getting stuff out, cleaning up and loading up.

Even if it took two hours, 250 bucks an hour is something I can live with.
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set up and clean up are my 2 biggest time eaters aswell

laser distance meter is the time saver
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I might be able to pull it off in an hour.
4 cuts, not much clean up.
Use the CO2 bottle instead of the compressor, shorter set up time, less hose.
$250 sounds good
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You lost me at caulk sorry
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I think an hour is pushing it. The crown install is the quick part, I could have all 4 measurements, sticks cut and coped in under 20 minutes. The thing that eats up time is getting stuff out, cleaning up and loading up.

Even if it took two hours, 250 bucks an hour is something I can live with.
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set up and clean up are my 2 biggest time eaters aswell

laser distance meter is the time saver
Exactly, you need a simple set-up. I think we all install the same way. Four measurements, eight cuts, four copes.

My set-up goes like this normally.

Pull in knock on door and say hello (this is where you can lose most of your time),

find the nearest door to the exterior relative to where you can get power and where the shortest trip to the truck is (normally I know this already from my first visit to scope out of the work),

Go to truck, grab bin full of 4x12 drop cloths and lay them out.

Get ladder and laser measure,

Take measurements,

Pull out saw and grinder, run cord, cut and cope,

Install crown, use a Crown Clip if needed, Paslode for nailing

Fill nail holes with painters putty as you go

Back out to truck, load up un-needed tools, pull out caulk gun and a wet rag, caulk.

Load up rest of un-needed tools.

Get client, say good bye.

One hour.

I am going to do a small powder room later today....I will time myself. Its a 4 1/2" PFJ Colonial crown. Its small, but its five walls with crappy tape job on the 45 degree corners.


EDIT: I wasn't bragging Matt, you mentioned the cheap price I did single rooms of crown for, I was just trying to explain how I did it that cheap.

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Exactly, you need a simple set-up. I think we all install the same way. Four measurements, eight cuts, four copes.

My set-up goes like this normally.

Pull in knock on door and say hello (this is where you can lose most of your time),

find the nearest door to the exterior relative to where you can get power and where the shortest trip to the truck is (normally I know this already from my first visit to scope out of the work),

Go to truck, grab bin full of 4x12 drop cloths and lay them out.

Get ladder and laser measure,

Take measurements,

Pull out saw and grinder, run cord, cut and cope,

Install crown, use a Crown Clip if needed, Paslode for nailing

Fill nail holes with painters putty as you go

Back out to truck, load up un-needed tools, pull out caulk gun and a wet rag, caulk.

Load up rest of un-needed tools.

Get client, say good bye.

One hour.

I am going to do a small powder room later today....I will time myself. Its a 4 1/2" PFJ Colonial crown. Its small, but its five walls with crappy tape job on the 45 degree corners.
Most importantly when you knock on the door have your drop sheets under your left arm, tool bag in your left hand and your right hand free to shake the client's. No wasted trips.
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EDIT: I wasn't bragging Matt, you mentioned the cheap price I did single rooms of crown for, I was just trying to explain how I did it that cheap.

http://www.punchlistcarpentry.com/in...es/Page405.htm
i know, it just makes for a better story

i think i am going to steal, i mean be inspired by, your promotion
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Am I the only person here that keeps templates for copes?? This is only 2 straight cuts and 4 copes, don't even need a miter saw if I have the template for the molding. I agree about the compressor set-up, I'll use my small one (working by myself). Paslodes are convenient and would save that time.

Hand cutting (handsaw and a coping or jigsaw), I can haul everything I need in 2-3 trips, use buckets in the room for my cutting station, and put some plastic under to catch the sawdust. Laser measure and mark the walls, mark the molding on the floor, two straight cuts, 4 copes, nail up, fill nail holes, wrap up plastic and small pieces and put it in a bucket, load out in 2-3 trips.

This doesn't take very long at all as long as the corners aren't all goofed up and I don't have to wait 2 weeks for the trim to adjust to site conditions...
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i know, it just makes for a better story

i think i am going to steal, i mean be inspired by, your promotion
Yeah, you just keep your work up there in North East Jersey and we won't have a problem

I will be honest, I don't let the crown acclimate on all of the jobs, sometimes if I get a chance I will get it before hand and let it acclimate inside my own home, but that is only about 50% of the time...the crown I am about to do today didn't have a chance to acclimate.

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i bet i can wrap it in aluminum faster then he can install it
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fast and cheap.. what a world
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What a hack! Lol

Ill miter and cope one side the day before if I have a few rooms and the time. I'm out in an hour when I do that, 4 cuts I can use my cordless circular saw on... A passload would save some set and cleanup time too
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I think the promotion is a good sales and marketing idea. Like anything, quality can wind up being good or not so good - depends on the installer. The actual work is the least of concerns in a small job like this - travel, talking, setup, cleanup, etc all take as much time as if it was a bigger job.
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KnottyWoodWork did 36 corners basically 9 rooms in 10hours that is with setup and tear down of equipment.

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I was talking to TBFGohst yesterday about set rates for single rooms of crown, rooms smaller than 16 x 16 with 4 inside corners and not difficult to access to hang and a place to set up and work. i wanted to know how it was working for him...

Tom brags he can be pulling out the driveway in 1 hour flat with caulking and hole filling. That sounds impressive, figure almost 2 hours for me for the same scope.

so is tom exceptionally motivated, or am i just a slacker!
i vote for slacker by the way
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MDF Crown is bull**** use FJP. If you filling nail hole your probably painting. Most carpenters don't fill nail holes and calk. Think about it when the last time you seen a good carpenter with painting ****. I guess you could pre- paint install then fill nail holes then repaint should get about $475.00 for about 6hrs work. In Marco Island we trimmed some high rise condos on the gulf in sable mahogany the job was located on the 17th floor and access to saw was down stairs. We measured the entire condo and made our cut at the shop. I guess if you want to get it done in 1hr do that. If not painting or prep work $275 is about right including material that about $215.00 profit The fastest (ME & ANOTHER EXPERIENCED CARPENTER) installed was 1LNF PER MINUTE ON 8FT CEILINGS 8FT BY 10FT ROOM OR LARGER 5.25 INCH FJP PAINT GRADE CROWN (HIGH QUALITY WORK).
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well there goes the no pricing policy
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$215 profit?

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