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Old 08-13-2007, 10:15 PM   #21
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Mrmac dont take any offense man, your boss is goofy. I cant even begin to imagine taking 6 hours to do one door. are these 11 foot monster french door units or what.

Typical interior door should not take any more than a half hour and that is pushing it.

I would like to watch you guys do one. WOW must swing pretty true.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:45 PM   #22
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Beer; Just for info. Yes they do make doors with trim attached for interior use, they are called "split Jambs" the jamb is in 2 pcs and the seam is concealed by the door stop. In my opinion they are really junk.
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i have to investigate these doors with the casing attached, that's not the way anyone orders them around here. do they come with biscuts in the miters, we always biscut our miters, i suppose we could put some casing together and let them dry and then attach them to the jamb, i think that would be to much time spent on a door though. the method of shiming the hinge side jack plumb before installing the jamb was quicker today than what i have been doing, thanks again everyone, i just don't think i'll be doing it with plumb bobs, wink
What Thom is talking about is laying a prehung door on the floor with the panel side up and nailing your casing sides on the door then set the door in the hole (the casing will keep the door from falling on through) I plumb the door by opening it slightly and putting the level on the straight edge of the door.When it is plumb shoot the casing on the hinge side to the stud then close the door and adjust the reveal by moving the sides around and shooting them where they fit. Then shim door from opposite side with out casing. I like to hang all my doors like this then come back and finish casing them later! Not sure why anyone would remove the door from the jam to hang it? You are trying to fit the jam to the door not the door to the jam! But different strokes for different folks!
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:31 PM   #24
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interior doors do come precased, as a matter of fact, in the rare occasion that mine aren't, i'll at least trim the door slab side of the jamb for my method of installing doors. doors don't have to be perfectly plumb. as long as your floor is within about 1/8" in 3' of level, sock the door ,in jamb, into the opening, adjust the hinge jamb until the reveal on top of the door is even, and shoot 2 tack nails in the trim on the hinge side(top and bottom). allow the door to swing freely, as long as it doesn't swing open or shut, then it's good. finish nailing, evening the reveal on the striker side, shim from the other side, trim other side. using this method, myself and my little brother installed , shimmed and trimmed 27 doors in 4 hours, and this was also including cutting each door from 7/8" to 1/2" space under doors.
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well murph, there are several responses that I could give you in reply to your "comment." I'll take the high road..

re-read the original post- where it says that my boss tells us to do it this way.... its a no brainer really, he's the boss- so we do it his way. has nothing to do with re-thinking a career, it is doing what we are told to do. I happen to like it. you do not. your problem not mine.
and its a small thing- its a post on the internet. get over it dude.
Just to clarify, I hope my jest about six hours per door is not confused in the same category as the ass;;;le remark about needing a new career. He obviously does not comprehend English well or did not read your part about that is how your boss wants it done. Your boss obviously knows how much per unit it costs to do it this way, and has a customer base that will pay for it. We do high quality work, I am anal retentive, and I know how it is to want something done a certain way, even though everyone is only mostly interested in how fast and crappy they can finish a task. But even as anal as I am, I don't know if I could work on every door in a house for sex hours each.
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Beer; Just for info. Yes they do make doors with trim attached for interior use, they are called "split Jambs" the jamb is in 2 pcs and the seam is concealed by the door stop. In my opinion they are really junk.
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Well skymaster..just for your info, unless it is ordered "no casing" , all of our doors come precased from the mill shop on the hinge side, with the casing of our choice. Since we are dealing with a dedicated "mill" shop, they will set anthing up, any way you order it, perhaps doors are not available like this in markets having only "lumber yard" dealers.

As for your opinion of split jambs , I'm with you there pal, the worst pieces of junk out there.
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I usually set the jamb in first without the door. Level the head jamb and scribe the side jamb that is touching the floor if its out of level and cut this with my skill saw. This is assuming there is a finished floor below. If the floor is going to cover the bottom of the jamb, I don't worry about it, but in remodel, you can never be sure. Once the head jamb is level, I center it in the opening by wedging shims at the head jamb where the frame won't bow in. Then I level the hinge side at the hinge locations and parallel the bottom of the opposite jamb and pin it there with my nail gun. Once the jamb is roughed in, I set the door back in it and adjust reveals. For heavier doors, I use the square drive screws instead of nails. I like these because they pull better and can be removed or adjusted without a lot of hassle.


For interior double doors to closets, I find that the biggest problem is getting the doors to close in the same plain at the bottom. Usually at the top there are ball catches but no positive latching at the bottoms. I used to drive the jamb out of plain with the drywall a little if that would make them line up better where the meet but now, I twist the jamb at the bottom to make the door swing in further or out further as needed. This keeps the jamb in plain with the drywall and makes it easier to install the trim.
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good morning everyone, looking for a little faster way to hang interior doors. the way i do it now is: remove door from jamb, cut jambs when needed, place jamb in opening and plumb hinge side of jamb with 6 foot level, making sure jamb remains straight with level, then putting door back on hinges and shiming around door to get my gap even all the way around, it has been taking me almost an hour on some doors. there must be a faster way, any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance wink
If your fitting the jambs from scratch , I use the same method as you , but I replace the packers with folding wedges this takes up any slack on the latch side of the jamb and I find them more manageable than packer method

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... But even as anal as I am, I don't know if I could work on every door in a house for sex hours each.
Yeah, I'm with you - sex hours of anal gets old! Bwa ha ha!

(Yeah, I know I should've resisted - I tried but just couldn't!)

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Old 08-23-2007, 09:08 AM   #30
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hahahahahaha didnt read that first time through.
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:43 PM   #31
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Yeah, I'm with you - sex hours of anal gets old! Bwa ha ha!

(Yeah, I know I should've resisted - I tried but just couldn't!)

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Good catch. I thought you were just going for a play on words, until I happened to glance up at the quote and saw my typo.
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1 important step to hanging a door which can make all the difference in the world is placing a small shim on the floor underneath the hinge side jam. Do this because if you nail off your hinge side and proceed to get your top reveal, sometimes (more often than not) the strike side needs to move down as opposed to up. If you don't have your hinge side lifted appx. 1/4" and your top reveal needs to go down your screwed because now you have an uneven reveal at the top and either have to raise the hinge side or cut the jamb of the strike side. Most houses have carpet that will tuck under your 1/4" anyways and tile will cover it as-well. The only time i don't do this is in a bathroom where leno will be installed.

Split jambs are crap. Prehung with casing is crap also because 9/10 times the casing needs to be re-nailed anyways. Spreading 4 legs and 2 heads to an opening before you install is the best way.
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Thom's got it right. That's exactly how I hang em. When I get on a roll, I can do a door in just over five minutes..... shimmed.... perfect.

Mrmac204.... haha... that's some crazy **** man. More power to ya for working for someone that tortured. I don't think I could even dream that method up if I WANTED to spend six hours on a door! Jesus, how long does he take on a staircase???? At that rate he's got to be still working on his first one!
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wow, fast! wish that I could employ some of these methods. where I am currently working, they have a very specific way of installing a door.

strike a line across the opening, from one wall to another. find the 1/2 way point, put your square on this and draw a line thru the opening (right angles) measure over from this 1/2 the width of the Jamb. using our square again draw another line at right angles also through the opening.
Now get both of your plumb bobs, hang them from the 2x4, and see how close they are to the line. shim underneath the plumb bob, so that it points directly onto the line, and then do the same for the other plumb bob right next to the first one- this also reveals any twist in the 2x4. so now we have both plumb bobs pointing exactly at the line where the outside of the jamb will be.
so now shim install shims, measuring from the plumb line to the shim, so that it is exact all the way down. Next do the same for the other side. then put the Jam in san's door- now put the plumb bob over top the header into the gyproc - so now measure from the plumb bob to the bottom of the jam, then 1/2 way up, then all the way up etc. screw that sucker off! BTW before we started, we used a builders instrument to find the exact elevation, and mark that on the wall so that we can measure from that to the top of the jamb, so we know that the jamb is perfectly level.

takes about 6 hours. drives me nuts, but hey- the boss says do it this way, so that's what I do

Mac.
Nothing personal. I am sure that that door is done well BUT, how could you ever do that for a living. I'd fire my guys for less than that.

Setting of an interior prehung door should take minutes, not hours.
I can hinge a book door without any prep and get in up and swinging in minutes as well.

The problem is that you are seeking too much perfection.
I do take about an hour to set a baldwin hardware entry set, if I need to prep the whole thing. That actualy take longer than the door took to hang.
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Once you get the concept down of everything hinges (no pun intended) from the hinge side the rest is simply work your reveals around the rest of the door. If your door doesn't hit the stop after you hang the door. Remember you have 4 corners to work with. Each one compounds the other so 1/2" can be divided by 4. top left, right and bottom left, right so you have plenty of room for badly framed walls provided you have the right casing to bend or tweak.

What i mean about the casing is if you have a door that the cross-site is 1" or even more out of plumb and your using 4" fluted casing you can make it work but if you have 1 1/2" finger joint pine you probably cant.

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