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Old 06-08-2012, 08:48 PM   #21
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Take your time ! Make it right. Rushing for someone else will almost always result in lack of quality. Just remember this, when you are finished & have done a quality job the homeowner will not care if it was a little late getting it done. But if you rush through it and do a poor quality job the homeowner will remember everyday they lay eyes on it. Good luck with your project & post some pics when your done .
Totally agree with all above ;HOWEVER NOTE Get print, DO A FULL INVENTORY ON EVERYTHING BEING ON THE JOB!!!!!!! DO NOT START IF ANYTHING IS MISSING. triple check room to print,cabinets to print, room,
Once you touch it YOU OWN IT !!!! Good luck, take your time, at this point money really doesnt mean as much as doing this job right. Raise your rates on next job
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Totally agree with all above ;HOWEVER NOTE Get print, DO A FULL INVENTORY ON EVERYTHING BEING ON THE JOB!!!!!!! DO NOT START IF ANYTHING IS MISSING. triple check room to print,cabinets to print, room,
Once you touch it YOU OWN IT !!!! Good luck, take your time, at this point money really doesnt mean as much as doing this job right. Raise your rates on next job
Absolutely one of the best tips for a good carpenter moving into the role of a good contractor when dealing with materials that have long lead times such as custom cabinets. Another is to hold everyone else to the same standard you hold yourself to. If the designer missed a detail, kick it back to them and keep a log. If the cabinet maker sends out a poorly finished component, call them immediately and get it resolved. If the plan has a detail that is not clear on the print, don't guess, call. Sometimes custom cabinets have finish pieces that don't show up well on plan or elevation views. If material on hand is on the invoice but not on the print, make the call. Once in a while, crown moldings and light valances on custom cabinets require some blocking that is much easier to put on the cabinets before hanging them. Check out the trim because kitchen plans rarely have a cut for the trim detail.

Good luck. If you learn to look ahead when dealing with custom casework, you can gain a real advantage over the competition. You can also look like a star to your customer. I find kitchens to be the renovation that can endear you to your client if done well and on schedule. You will probably have to assume some responsibility for things that you really had nothing to do with but it is worth it to keep the job flowing as long as it's within reason.

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This is a pretty good thread. No condescencion, all info and even some good wishes. It could be the sense of pride that comes from knowing the ins and outs. Its a great feeling to catch issues and answer questions well before putting your tools on. I've seen installs from run and gun contractors. I've seen them installed by people who think lasers, ledgers, multiple bits, and lots of clamps are a waste of time. I don't even know what to say about them. What's worse is, with the right preparation and a little critical thinking, you really can move pretty quickly on the straight runs and turn out a quality product. You can easily hide your fasteners and make up minor inconsistencies with simple fixes. Luckily, this is an area where the value of quality is evident and can put up a good fight against quick and cheap.

Screw pops and bad joints go unnoticed by a lot of homeowners. Out of square walls and trim joints loaded with caulk or filler and hidden behind furniture don't mean as much as the extra money it would have cost to put a skilled trim guy on the project, but a kitchen cabinet with a crooked door or a poorly scribed filler with an 1/8 in caulk and paint fakeout will draw ire from the same customer. That's a good thing. It's an even better thing when you strive for perfect knowing a minor mistake will only take you down to exceptional and you can adapt that mindset for any job balancing production and perfection.
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Your so right about owners not noticing bad base
Board or not plumb doors, but the slightest thing wrong on a cabinet install will stand right out.

Also, with the right tools I can usually set an average size kitchen in a day. The crown build ups and light rail are usually another half day or so. If I have a helper it could be done in one long day if the crown build up isn't too complicated.
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Not many of my kitchens can be put up in a day, even without the molding.

Do you scribe your kitchens to the walls or just hang them and if there is a gap leave it or cover it with molding?
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Karl, don’t let setting the bases first bother you – it’s really not that bad. We always set the bases first. There is a thread on CT where either Gus or Basswood showed how they build a box/platform to set on top of the bases then set your uppers on that – still a one man job. I did a quick search for the thread, but couldn’t find it – maybe someone else remembers it and can provide the link...

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Here is a photo a "base first" jig for supporting the upper cabinets. I make them out of 1x8 or rips of 3/4 ply or MDO. I set bases first. Then set a box jig on the bases (jig is 1x8" and 34-1/2" wide and 19-1/4" tall). I have three of these jigs made up.

With the jig on the lowers, I just set the uppers on the jig and attach them to the wall. Works great for solo installing.

With a helper, we gang uppers together and set them on top of a pair of jigs.

I make the jigs 34-1/2" wide, so when turned on their side They match the height of the base cabs (then they are handy for holding other jigs where there are no bases below the uppers and also handy for holding up countertops for miter bolting etc.).

I use 19-1/4" as the jig height (18" space bt/wn counter and uppers + 1-1/2" counter top - 1/4" for adjustments).
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Not many of my kitchens can be put up in a day, even without the molding.

Do you scribe your kitchens to the walls or just hang them and if there is a gap leave it or cover it with molding?
Depends. Most of the kitchens the walls are not that bad. A few have been and I try to scribe them or make it so the gaps can be covered with the tile back splashes. I try to avoid scribe trim if i can cause they look better if the box is tight to the wall. Cheap kitchens get scribe trim.

Remember Leo, most of the kitchens i install are boxes from a major manufacture.
Only one was a custom kitchen like what you make, and that one took 3 days with a helper excluding the appliance panels. That one was almost easier as it had built in scribes. It was the 20 pc island with the legs and shelves that made it hard. And the farm sink that had to be cut into the sink base cabinet. The cabinet maker made the cut out with room to scribe to fit the sink nice and tight. Measure 6 times, then cut leaving some to sand.
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Gotta laser? Use it. No...get one. Makes life so much easier in a kitchen install.
Got a laser recommendation? I am about to be doing a whole bunch of cabinet/kitchen installs.
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I use a PLS 180. OK price works good. I'd like 2. Makes a Euro install go easy and the cabs come out nice and true.
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The Fat Max self leveling cross hair style is reasonably priced,.durable, very easy to see, and has a wide horizontal projection that allows you to set up fairly close to a wall and get a corner to corner shot. It's accurate well within the confines of a kitchen. It is very convenient. The only downside is that there are other lasers available which you can mount on a wall for ceiling work or a tile benchmark. I would still pick one up.
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I'm not sure how you can end a run at a wall without a filler that gets scribed to the wall profile. An inch of filler makes the difference between opening a cabinet with the knob hitting the wall or a full 90 degree swing. I understand if the face frame is slightly wider so there is no cabinet/filler joint but there has to be something. I'm not trying to be a fool, I just want to clarify.
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When it comes to basic boxes, I would reject any wall to wall design that didn't allow for at least 7/8" ± of filler at each end. I think trim on the sides, proud of the face frame, looks terrible unless it mimics some sort of similar detail in the run.
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Or a rare pitcon reveal... in my head tonight I'm going to install fine cherry cabinets with square panel overlay doors and a 5/16" pitcon reveal between all boxes. Maybe poplar painted jet black satin to set back in the gaps.. Continuous reveal along the top too with 38• crown flat on all sides. I hope I don't have to get up to pee before I pick out the knobs... Maybe satin nickel yin yang symbols to offset the sharp edges.
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When it comes to basic boxes, I would reject any wall to wall design that didn't allow for at least 7/8" ± of filler at each end. I think trim on the sides, proud of the face frame, looks terrible unless it mimics some sort of similar detail in the run.
You aren't thinking 3D, what about FF cabinets with 1 1/2" to 2" FFs, no need for fillers and you get your 90 door without hitting the wall. Plus Blum offers a hinge stop that stops the door at 86 degrees. Slap one of those puppies on and no worries.

In a true Euro design I agree.
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Plus Blum offers a hinge stop that stops the door at 86 degrees.
This must be a new thing. What style hinge are you talking about? Used to be that the only angle restriction clip was for a 170. I would love to see what you have found there.
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This must be a new thing. What style hinge are you talking about? Used to be that the only angle restriction clip was for a 170. I would love to see what you have found there.
Hey Gus,

The blum stop is a little black plastic clip that slides into the hinge.

We use them when we have a door next to a wall over or refer.

Ask you blum rep for a hand full of them they come in handy.
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Got a laser recommendation? I am about to be doing a whole bunch of cabinet/kitchen installs.
PLS 180 i think it is, cast hard lines horizontal and vertical and both at same time. Best laser i ever had for setting kitchens and other work. Also has a pulse setting so you can use a reciever
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The blum stop is a little black plastic clip that slides into the hinge.

We use them when we have a door next to a wall over or refer.

Ask you blum rep for a hand full of them they come in handy.
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