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Old 01-22-2016, 09:09 PM   #21
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OH.

MY.

GOSH!

I just *love* it that you built a breakfast nook in a modern home! And your workmanship is beautiful!

I can't resist posting some pictures of the 1920s nooks (found in kit homes) that stole my heart!







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Old 01-23-2016, 12:46 AM   #22
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Is there going to be a tall baseboard that goes around the bottom? If so, will that make the top and bottom rails the same size? Did some frame and panels for a spec house we built recently the same way and turned out sweet. Just something that caught my eye. Great work!
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Is there going to be a tall baseboard that goes around the bottom? If so, will that make the top and bottom rails the same size? Did some frame and panels for a spec house we built recently the same way and turned out sweet. Just something that caught my eye. Great work!

Nope. That's the look she wanted.
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I have a customer that is planning on a banquette for her breakfast room. We are putting a nice addition on here house (1300 sq ft). I am almost afraid to show her your pics, because I know she will love it, and there goes her budget.
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That type of work just amazes me. Nice job Spencer.

I couldn't build something like that If my life depended on It.
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That type of work just amazes me. Nice job Spencer.



I couldn't build something like that If my life depended on It.

Not sure I could, and I'm a carpenter. Spence is a hell of a finish carpenter. Great job.
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Wow great work Spencer. You're a hell of a carpenter.
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Additional generic carpenter compliment, Spencer

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Fun project indeed. Just curious why not frame in 2x am I missing something. Either way love it
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I was thinking he could have saved off a day if he used a nail gun instead of a zillion pocket screws.

When I reflect on a project I always think how could I deliver a better product both faster and cheaper.
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Precision.

If you don't start with a dead flat, level, straight, crisp sub base you're going to fight it the whole way through and end up with a shoddy product.

By ripping ply with the track saw you end up with very crisp and perfectly straight edges. You also add the advantage of being able to pocket screw.

Every single piece is pocket screwed to each other besides the top cap on the ledge.

The seat is pocket screwed to the sub base from the underside.

The sub base for the the back rest is pocket screwed to the wall, the seat, and the back rest.

The back rest is pocket screwed down into the seat.

It keeps everything I perfect alignment in a way that is not as efficient or effective to do with dimensional lumber.
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I was thinking he could have saved off a day if he used a nail gun instead of a zillion pocket screws.



When I reflect on a project I always think how could I deliver a better product both faster and cheaper.

If I had to do the same thing tomorrow I would use pocket screws again. The foreman drills pocket holes in plywood like butter.

I'm building a furniture quality product. Not framing a shed.
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If I had to do the same thing tomorrow I would use pocket screws again. The foreman drills pocket holes in plywood like butter.

I'm building a furniture quality product. Not framing a shed.
I get that, but if you could deliver the same look and function with lower material cost and less time it's a win win.
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How could you deliver the same quality with a million nail holes to fill and potentially show through?
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I get that, but if you could deliver the same look and function with lower material cost and less time it's a win win.

I hear you boss. These are bid items. I'm all about faster and cheaper if I don't have to compromise on quality.

I actually have all the dimensional lumber that I was originally planning to use still sitting there on the jobsite.

That was my plan to use. But as I looked at the size of it....I thought...no... I knew it would have given me problems so I went a different route. Glad I did. This is one of the most satisfying projects from a quality perspective I have done. And I made good money on it. I look forward to doing the next one even faster.

The other trim guy on site commented to the HO. "If there's a tornado, hold onto that thing!" He's right. It's built to last generations, not till I get my check. A little overkill is good sometimes.
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You wouldn't.
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How could you deliver the same quality with a million nail holes to fill and potentially show through?

Exactly. And this way I'm going to get good PR from the painter, who is a top notch painter, because he sees a product that is solid and crisp with no holes. I'm making their job easy.
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I did a few benches with storage for the first time last summer and I did have to fight a bit with the dimensional lumber to get everything to plane out exactly. I like what you've done with the plywood and would like to try it myself on the next one.
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Under the heading of faster and more efficient.

These things can be seen more as cabinets and less as a framing project. Look for ways to shop build components that will install as a kit. Ways to pre finish in a booth.

This can be done while the drywall is being hung and finished so the job site schedule is shortened. But no matter where or when it's done, boxes are easier to build than framing and skinning.

This nook could have been done with 6 "boxes" and 6 "tops". Your finished frame and panels are structurally sound enough to support the bench top. There really was no need for the wall framing behind it.

A cabinet box with a bottom, back,sides, top stretchers and the frame and panel front would have been very structurally sound. Three of those and your base layer is complete.

Fit your bench top just like you did. No differences there.

The angled seat back could have been three more boxes similar to the bases. All made to shim away from the wall a bit on the back and scribed to fit at your finished ends.

Cap it the same way you did with three top sections.

Having a framing background has made me a better cabinet maker. And I had to embrace the modular way of engineering these types of projects to be truly efficient.

I applaud your craftsmanship and your attention to structural integrity. And there are always ways to achieve those with more efficient use of your time and materials. Thinking modular and bench work will move you in that direction.

I love your enthusiasm. It's contagious.

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