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basswood 03-14-2009 10:28 AM

Fine Finish w/o Festool
 
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Festool makes fantastic tools with price tags you expect for the best. Festool is worthy of the attention it gets here and the devoted following is understandable. But...

For some, the cost/benefit analysis simply rules Festool out. I just posted in another thread, that you can buy a Makita corless 18v Li-ion set with a drill/driver, impact driver, cordless circ. saw, flashlight, charger and two batteries for about the same price as a Festool 12v C12 drill.

I am also glad Makita and Dewalt have track saws to compete with Festool.

Along similar lines, I've owned a Fein Multi-Master for years, but I'm also glad to see Rockwell and Dremel making similar tools, now that Fein's patent has run out.

My track saw is a Makita on an EZ guide rail. Nice to be able to use off the shelf blades at reasonable prices.

There is no way I can justify the price of the Kapex. I get great cuts with my 10" Hitachi slider and with a Chop Shop hood/ and my Fein Vac work is virtually dust free.

By avoiding the "Green KoolAid" I have been able to afford a Delta Unisaw Table Saw with a 50" Beisemeyer fence, a Jet Bandsaw, and a "sports car".

My priorities are such that I compromise some on tool quality. I buy good pro-grade tools, not Harbor Freight junk, but not Festool either.

Festool may make a better Jigsaw, but Bosch is good enough for me. Rotex sanders are great, but my Porter Cable sanders are pretty good too (especially with a Fein Vac).

I have many good routers already (PC, Bosch, Freud, Milwaukee). I do wish they offered the dust collection of Festool routers, but they work well and are paid for. I've heard the DeWalt plunge router offers good dust collection and I would likely buy that before I'd by a Festool.

I'm just too much of a tightwad to pay the Festool prices.

My portfolio shows that you can buy tools on a budget and produce good work and I just wanted to put another opinion out there--for what it is worth.

Of course, even my mid-life crisis "sports car" has only a 50 h.p. engine... but I got it for less than 3K, it gets 30 m.p.g. and it is actually fun to drive.

This illustrates my philosophy on tools... it ain't a Ferrari, but it suits me just fine:

tcleve4911 03-14-2009 10:57 AM

Nice post.
I didn't realize it was you until I read the whole thing.
Great points Mr. Bass.
Lazers and expensive setups and jigged sharpeners and construction calculators.

How was anything ever built before all this stuff?
Finish carpentry cannot be done well without a skilled craftsman behind the tools. Personally, I think a lot of the koolaid tools are for machinists minded carpenters and not the old timers like me that perform the same processes by using tried & true methods, jigs, & techniques.

Festool and Ferrari

Like the great pic of your Carmen Ghia, I have a 98 Toyota Celica GT that I love to cruise in. It's paid off and it's a fun car to drive.
Thanks Again

WarnerConstInc. 03-14-2009 11:03 AM

Agreed Bass!! Not everything they make is that much better than someone else's product. I dont think Festool's jig saws are worth it. I am not so sure about the smaller RO sanders but, having a rotex it would be silly to buy a PC sander (heard nothing but good) and have to buy 2 different kinds of paper.

I think the thing that got me is the fact of how portable they are and the dust collection.

I love my Bosch slider, dont want to spend 1300 yet on another saw.

Dewalt, Makita, Virtuex and several others now make a rail saw, so you have some different options.

The only reason to get a Festool TS is if you have or are planning to obtain a few more other items and want the rail saw to fit in with the rest of the system.

There is a manufactured housing company about 1 hour south of me that has been replacing thier other hand held power tools with Festool and has not had a warrenty claim in 4 years. That is something to think about.

I have a lot of other brands of tools, I also know I dont want to be tied down to any stationary machienery at this point in time.
No othe tool brand I have is as easy to cart around and set up quickly and accuratly.

Good words of advice Bass!!

basswood 03-14-2009 11:21 AM

I do appreciate quality tools, portability, and dust control.

Price is secondary, but a consideration, nonetheless. I don't try to push the issue too far. My customers want top quality work, so they have to pay for it... sorta like Festool (I like to think).

It is difficult to do the best work with poor quality tools, but I think you can do great work with good tools... without paying the premium for the absolute best of each tool category. In some cases, the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

Regards,

Bass

basswood 03-14-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tcleve4911 (Post 635737)
Nice post.
I didn't realize it was you until I read the whole thing.
Great points Mr. Bass.
Lazers and expensive setups and jigged sharpeners and construction calculators.

How was anything ever built before all this stuff?
Finish carpentry cannot be done well without a skilled craftsman behind the tools. Personally, I think a lot of the koolaid tools are for machinists minded carpenters and not the old timers like me that perform the same processes by using tried & true methods, jigs, & techniques.

Festool and Ferrari

Like the great pic of your Carmen Ghia, I have a 98 Toyota Celica GT that I love to cruise in. It's paid off and it's a fun car to drive.
Thanks Again

The Karmann Ghia is a '69-1/2... they changed the model in mid-year. Convertibles are rare, compared to coupes, and the half-year thing makes it rarer still. It is an Italian design (Ghia), like Ferrari, and the body is made by the same company that makes Porsche bodies (Karmann) and the workmanship is said to be comparable to Rolls Royce (if only the engine was by Porsche--but then I couldn't afford it)... but alas, it is a VW.

It is fun to drive though and simple enough I can tinker with it.;)

neolitic 03-14-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc. (Post 635742)
Agreed Bass!! Not everything they make is that much better than someone else's product. I dont think Festool's jig saws are worth it. I am not so sure about the smaller RO sanders but, having a rotex it would be silly to buy a PC sander (heard nothing but good) and have to buy 2 different kinds of paper.

I think the thing that got me is the fact of how portable they are and the dust collection.

I love my Bosch slider, dont want to spend 1300 yet on another saw.

Dewalt, Makita, Virtuex and several others now make a rail saw, so you have some different options.

The only reason to get a Festool TS is if you have or are planning to obtain a few more other items and want the rail saw to fit in with the rest of the system.

There is a manufactured housing company about 1 hour south of me that has been replacing thier other hand held power tools with Festool and has not had a warrenty claim in 4 years. That is something to think about.

I have a lot of other brands of tools, I also know I dont want to be tied down to any stationary machienery at this point in time.
No othe tool brand I have is as easy to cart around and set up quickly and accuratly.

Good words of advice Bass!!

Warner, quick, Edit the post!
The Green police will be at the
door to give you another transfusion.......:w00t:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

neolitic 03-14-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 635759)
The Karmann Ghia is a '69-1/2... they changed the model in mid-year. Convertibles are rare, compared to coupes, and the half-year thing makes it rarer still. It is an Italian design (Ghia), like Ferrari, and the body is made by the same company that makes Porsche bodies (Karmann) and the workmanship is said to be comparable to Rolls Royce (if only the engine was by Porsche--but then I couldn't afford it)... but alas, it is a VW.

It is fun to drive though and simple enough I can tinker with it.;)

Best friend's wife (GF at the time) had
KG convertible with the optional
gas heater.
When it went out she borrowed my
Coleman catalytic heater.
One night she forgot to snuff it..........
toasted Karmann Ghia! :sad:
She then "upgraded" to a 914. :laughing:

OW! My thumb 03-14-2009 12:01 PM

Im on the same page Bass.

OW! My thumb 03-14-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neolitic (Post 635763)
Warner, quick, Edit the post!
The Green police will be at the
door to give you another transfusion.......:w00t:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:


Every time I see one of your posts, Its like reading a Haiku.

basswood 03-14-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neolitic (Post 635770)
Best friend's wife (GF at the time) had
KG convertible with the optional
gas heater.
When it went out she borrowed my
Coleman catalytic heater.
One night she forgot to snuff it..........
toasted Karmann Ghia! :sad:
She then "upgraded" to a 914. :laughing:

I have the gas heater... but I park it for the winter in MN to keep it out of the road salt. Bummer about that KG burnin' up... the 914 sounds nice though.:w00t:

basswood 03-14-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OW! My thumb (Post 635780)
Im on the same page Bass.

I have no problem with those who buy Festool, for many, I imagine it pays them back. If I had a job where I knew the domino would pay for itself, I might spring for one.

I'd take a Festool in a heartbeat, if someone gave it to me... I just can't make myself pay their prices.

I might buy the green stuff on CL, at a discount, if I was confident that it was not stolen.

Just thinking out loud here.

All the best,

Bass

irockwithdirt 03-14-2009 02:35 PM

We sharing car pics?? Had to send my dodge to the dealer for some warranty work, so this was my work vehicle for about a week. :cheesygri

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2426/cimg0772.jpg

:laughing:

basswood 03-14-2009 02:44 PM

Nice "truck":laughing:

I sometimes take the KG to work... after I haul all my tools to the job with the work van.:jester:

Once I canoed to work. Had a job on the other side of the Mississippi... tools were all over there in WI, so I paddled to work.:w00t:

m1911 03-14-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 635824)
I have no problem with those who buy Festool, for many, I imagine it pays them back. If I had a job where I knew the domino would pay for itself, I might spring for one.

I'd take a Festool in a heartbeat, if someone gave it to me... I just can't make myself pay their prices.

I might buy the green stuff on CL, at a discount, if I was confident that it was not stolen.

Just thinking out loud here.

All the best,

Bass





Ahhhhh, a cheap bastard after my own heart! :laughing::laughing:

I too would like to partake in the fruits of Festool, but I get the job done with Bosch and Makita. After all, it's the final results that counts, and your work speaks for itself.

peace.

Five Star 03-14-2009 04:35 PM

i to agree that festools prices are alittle to steep!and yes we all managed for 20+ yrs producing quality work with contractor grade tools.

after seeing there full tool line up at a true woodworkers tool store about 25 miles from my house, i unfortunatly caught the fever :censored:!

now what i have been doing to justify my addiction,is selling off on craigslist all the tools i had for years laying around,and all those impulse buys from the depot.
and with the economy being slow ive been shopping on ebay and watching religously for festool.

alot of the stuff goes used the same price as new you have to be careful,but i scored a gently used ts75 with rail,extra blade,clamps, for well under $500,- stuff sold on CL, the saw cost me $200.

i know im an addict,and need counseling but once kool aid gets in the system its hard to quench the thust.

GOOD POST BASS,AND YOUR RIGHT

AND FOR YOU FESTOOL>>>>>DAMN YOU FESTOOL-DAMN YOU

neolitic 03-14-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OW! My thumb (Post 635782)
Every time I see one of your posts, Its like reading a Haiku.

Think of me as your
carpentry zen master. :laughing::blink:

jhark123 03-14-2009 08:26 PM

Basswood, what chop saw hood are you using. If it is homemade would you post a pic? I just got a Fein vac on ebay for $125 : ) and I am looking to hook it up to my Makita slider.

Thanks,
Jason

basswood 03-14-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jhark123 (Post 636111)
Basswood, what chop saw hood are you using. If it is homemade would you post a pic? I just got a Fein vac on ebay for $125 : ) and I am looking to hook it up to my Makita slider.

Thanks,
Jason

Mine is the Chop Shop Hood:

http://woodworkers-hardware.amazonwe...source=froogle

Sooner Pesek 03-14-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 636132)



Hey Bass,

I checked out the link, it looks like the hood attaches to a rail behind the saw fence. It that part of the setup, or is it an optional mount?

Thanks,
Roger

basswood 03-14-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner Pesek (Post 636139)
Hey Bass,

I checked out the link, it looks like the hood attaches to a rail behind the saw fence. It that part of the setup, or is it an optional mount?

Thanks,
Roger

Does your saw have two holes behind the fence for hold downs? The hood is set up to mount using pins that fit in those holes. The hold down holes on my Hitachi are larger diameter than the pins... so there is some slop in the set up. Not a big deal, but I might do some re-rigging.

DBCoop 03-14-2009 09:18 PM

Bass, I appreciate your frankness....sure I'd love the absolute best!!! We work with our hands and we want to create great work. Great post!!! We are all on that quest for balance. :thumbsup:

CarpenterMatt 03-14-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 635717)
Festool makes fantastic tools with price tags you expect for the best. Festool is worthy of the attention it gets here and the devoted following is understandable. But...

I'm just too much of a tightwad to pay the Festool prices. :

Now listen here Mr Basswood! There is a bigger issue at stake in this discussion. Based on the above admission of "short arms long pocket syndrome", I have just realised the possibility that a man of your capability may very well go to your grave having never experienced the blissfull, zen like symbiotic pairing of man & woodworking machinery that only Festool can provide. I now face a very unsettling & disturbed weekend trying to digest this blasphemy.:cry: Thanks for that.:shutup: If, however, you would care to redeem yourself for this unforgivable disclosure, there is a small chance you could make all well again if you hurry out NOW & purchase a Domino. Yes, you will CERTAINLY thank us afterwards, but getting to the other side will be hard for you. Go to the tool shop, get the Domino, & close your eyes as you hand over the credit card. After that, its all easy, joy will be upon you.:notworthy

Kent Whitten 03-15-2009 07:19 AM

I think that all of us, when we are making a decision, we unconsciously ask ourselves "how quickly will I get my return on my money with this product" If it's expensive and you can see that it will produce more for you, then it may justify itself. If you find something similar that will get close results, maybe negligible, then you will opt for the lower priced one.

KMac 03-15-2009 08:10 AM

I see whats going on here - nice try Bass. This thread is obviously just a ploy to get Festool to send Bass some tools for him to "review" - given his proclivity for writing articles in prominent trade magazines. I predict in a couple years Bass will have a complete arsenal of Festools and will not have paid a cent! :w00t:

basswood 03-15-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KMac (Post 636331)
I see whats going on here - nice try Bass. This thread is obviously just a ploy to get Festool to send Bass some tools for him to "review" - given his proclivity for writing articles in prominent trade magazines. I predict in a couple years Bass will have a complete arsenal of Festools and will not have paid a cent! :w00t:

I'm not smart enough or devious enough to have thought of that on my own... but that sounds like a good plan.:shifty:

Now if I can get everyone who has used one of my tips from the forums to send me a buck tip for each tip... then I might be able to be a Festoolian.:party:

basswood 03-15-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CarpenterMatt (Post 636211)
Now listen here Mr Basswood! There is a bigger issue at stake in this discussion. Based on the above admission of "short arms long pocket syndrome", I have just realised the possibility that a man of your capability may very well go to your grave having never experienced the blissfull, zen like symbiotic pairing of man & woodworking machinery that only Festool can provide. I now face a very unsettling & disturbed weekend trying to digest this blasphemy.:cry: Thanks for that.:shutup: If, however, you would care to redeem yourself for this unforgivable disclosure, there is a small chance you could make all well again if you hurry out NOW & purchase a Domino. Yes, you will CERTAINLY thank us afterwards, but getting to the other side will be hard for you. Go to the tool shop, get the Domino, & close your eyes as you hand over the credit card. After that, its all easy, joy will be upon you.:notworthy

Matt,

As soon as a I can justify a Festool purchase that will pay for itself quickly... I'm in. My tool collection has most of the bases covered already. The Domino is interesting. It might justify itself, but much of what it does is done by tools I already have (biscuit joiner, Kreg jig, tenoning jig). Looking for the right job, that the Domino can do that the others can't.

I'm trying to be a solo trim carp, set up and run a wood shop, and support a wife and kids... the budget is tight. Always a balancing act.

I'm impressed by you Festoolians though,

Bass

Bergstrom 03-15-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 636372)
I'm trying to be a solo trim carp, set up and run a wood shop, and support a wife and kids... the budget is tight. Always a balancing act.

I'm impressed by you Festoolians though,

Bass

Amen to that! I think one thing that gets largely overlooked in these discussions is the importance of good tooling for your tools. A good blade or bit can turn the most impotent POS into a wood magician. I am always surprised when someone will drop pro athlete pay on a tool and then turn around and shoe it with a Wal-Mart clearance aisle blade.

Instead of thinking Festool we need start thinking
FS Tool, Lueco,Guhdo,Leitz,Amana and so on

basswood 03-15-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bergstrom (Post 636414)
Amen to that! I think one thing that gets largely overlooked in these discussions is the importance of good tooling for your tools. A good blade or bit can turn the most impotent POS into a wood magician. I am always surprised when someone will drop pro athlete pay on a tool and then turn around and shoe it with a Wal-Mart clearance aisle blade.

Instead of thinking Festool we need start thinking
FS Tool, Lueco,Guhdo,Leitz,Amana and so on

Hi Berg,

Good blades are a big part of my game plan!:thumbsup:

Of course the mind and skills of the carpenter are still the main thing. I once took first place in a cycling race on an old steel frame bicycle. The bike also had a "luggage rack" on it and even a bike lock hanging on it. I was wearing regular shorts and a t-shirt. I managed to beat a few hundred other guys who had expensive carbon fiber or aluminum bikes and spandex outfits... I was in better shape, so I won. Well, it also helped that it got windy during the race and a bunch of them had disk wheels that were bad in the wind. Anyway, it was amusing.:party:

Bergstrom 03-15-2009 10:38 AM

:laughing: For some reason my mind's eye is picturing lime green carbon fiber wheels with dual laser guided ground tracking

WarnerConstInc. 03-15-2009 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 636372)
Matt,

I'm trying to be a solo trim carp, set up and run a wood shop, and support a wife and kids... the budget is tight. Always a balancing act.

Bass

You got that part right!!

I will agree with others, once you put your hands on a Domino or a TS saw, it will be all over!!

john5mt 03-18-2009 12:54 AM

http://www.eurekazone.com/images/gal...rgallery1.html

Why are they using a festool router to demonstrate their product.....hmmm:rolleyes:

CarpenterMatt 03-18-2009 01:28 AM

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Why are they using a festool router to demonstrate their product.....hmmm:rolleyes:

Yeah....& if I had to do that groove, I'd use one of these.:laughing:

basswood 03-18-2009 09:44 AM

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Why are they using a festool router to demonstrate their product.....hmmm:rolleyes:

Hi John,

That is goofy. If I you have a Festool router you would want to use the router guide and rail from Festool too.

I have that EZ router guide and rail, but I use it with my Bosch plunge router. One nice thing about the EZ rail is that it is a heavy duty extrusion, compared to the Festool Rail. Not a big deal... I haul the rail around in a gun case so it is well protected when not in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtfuVm_ShM

All the best,

Bass

Gus Dering 03-18-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 636427)
Hi Berg,



I once took first place in a cycling race on an old steel frame bicycle. The bike also had a "luggage rack" on it and even a bike lock hanging on it.
It had a banana seat and butterfly handle bars. And I had baseball cards slapping the spokes held on by clothes pins.
I was wearing a dress and high heels.

I managed to beat a few hundred hot shot first graders who had expensive carbon fiber or aluminum bikes and spandex outfits...
I was in better shape, so I won.
Well, it also helped that it got windy during the race and a bunch of them
started crying when my dress blew up over my head.
Anyway, it was amusing.:party:

Let us know if you have any pictures of that :laughing::laughing::eek:

loneframer 03-18-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Dering (Post 638509)
Let us know if you have any pictures of that :laughing::laughing::eek:

Hmmm............http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/...a6fe95d00c.jpg

basswood 03-18-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Dering (Post 638509)
Let us know if you have any pictures of that :laughing::laughing::eek:

I don't have any pictures from your twisted imagination, thankfully! This emoticon might do it for you though: :scooter:

Cheers,

Bass:drink:

Gus Dering 03-18-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 638692)
I don't have any pictures from your twisted imagination, thankfully! This emoticon might do it for you though: :scooter:

Cheers,

Bass:drink:

Good thing Loneframer was there to snap a shot. He takes alot of pictures ya know. Never know where he might pop up:laughing::laughing::laughing:

basswood 03-18-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by loneframer (Post 638671)
Hmmm............

Hmmm, what?!:cool2:

Gus Dering 03-18-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 638699)
Hmmm, what?!:cool2:

Hmmm, he is strangely attracted to you.
You do look pretty hot in that dress

basswood 03-18-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Dering (Post 638698)
Good thing Loneframer was there to snap a shot. He takes alot of pictures ya know. Never know where he might pop up:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Yeah, but I heard he destroyed all the good pics.

Not to change the topic, but I resized some old cabinets today... when you cut your drawers down what do you get...???

loneframer 03-18-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 638699)
Hmmm, what?!:cool2:

Just trying to imagine the wind getting under that dress:w00t::tt2:

Gus Dering 03-18-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 638704)
Yeah, but I heard he destroyed all the good pics.

Not to change the topic, but I resized some old cabinets today... when you cut your drawers down what do you get...???

In your neck of the woods, I would get cold:laughing:

Gus Dering 03-18-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by loneframer (Post 638709)
Just trying to imagine the wind getting under that dress:w00t::tt2:

You would ball your eyes out just like the first graders:cry:

basswood 03-18-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Dering (Post 638716)
In your neck of the woods, I would get cold:laughing:

People started wearing shorts here this week, what with it getting all balmy--you know we hit 60 degrees. When it gets to the 80's we all wilt in the heat.:sweatdrop:

TimelessQuality 03-18-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by basswood (Post 638704)
when you cut your drawers down what do you get...???

Paid I hope:thumbsup:

basswood 03-18-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TimelessQuality (Post 638738)
Paid I hope:thumbsup:

Well, that too...

..."Shorts" was the answer... my dad all ways called pants drawers... or dungarees.

john5mt 03-18-2009 07:38 PM

Good idea storing the rails in a gun case....i am definitely stealing that.

I dunno what those ezrails cost when you bought them but i looked at them before i bought my rail saw and it was gonna be around 300 bucks to get the set up.

A little more and i got the ts 55 with my rails.

i have already spent the money and have the saw and router with the rails and really like using them but i can definitely see that that rail system would probably work nearly as good

I do hope someone else starts producing blades to fit the ts55and75

that is one reason why i wont buy a kapex. Festool is nice but i dont like being locked to one brand of miter saw blade. Especially since my closest festool dealer is an hour and a half away.

WarnerConstInc. 03-18-2009 07:42 PM

John, I believe Tenryu makes some. I think there are some others out there as well. All about the same price.

Find you an internet dealer close and you should be able to have them in a couple days.

Festool's blades are very nice and worth the money IMO.

They seem cheap versus me buying Matsush!ta's for everything else.

CarpenterMatt 03-18-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc. (Post 638824)
Find you an internet dealer close and you should be able to have them in a couple days.

Festool's blades are very nice and worth the money IMO.

They seem cheap versus me buying Matsush!ta's for everything else.

Absolutely. What is the gripe with Festool blades?:blink: I'm not sure how they compare price wise with other "quality brands" in your country, but here in Oz they're comparable. I dont think you could expect to get a better blade, so I can only assume it's the cost. In my ATF55 plunge cut saw (the TS 55's dad) I found some thin kerf makita blades, & I use these when I'm doing a suspect cut, say trimming back old flooring where I may hit a nail. Having said that, the arbor size may be different on the TS. I've had the original blade on the ATF 55 for 11yrs, a couple of re-sharpens, but still holding up well.:thumbsup:

basswood 03-18-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by john5mt (Post 638819)
Good idea storing the rails in a gun case....i am definitely stealing that.

I dunno what those ezrails cost when you bought them but i looked at them before i bought my rail saw and it was gonna be around 300 bucks to get the set up.

A little more and i got the ts 55 with my rails.

i have already spent the money and have the saw and router with the rails and really like using them but i can definitely see that that rail system would probably work nearly as good

I do hope someone else starts producing blades to fit the ts55and75

that is one reason why i wont buy a kapex. Festool is nice but i dont like being locked to one brand of miter saw blade. Especially since my closest festool dealer is an hour and a half away.

The gun case i use is a Plano, quite inexpensive. It holds two 50" rail sections.

I went with the EZ Guide because I already had a full lineup of saws and routers, Fein Vac, etc. I have a large collection of blades too and like to buy tools and blades locally and have a good local blade sharpening service.

Why can't Festool make saws that use commonly available blades? That would widen their market considerably IMO.


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