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Old 05-14-2010, 03:43 PM   #1
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Well I have never actually seen the Kapex, so while I was on a trip this week, I found a WoodCraft store that sold them. Upon my arrival I was greeted by the sales guy there who obviously loved Festool. He not only touted the Kapex, but was showing me the entire Festool line.

When he got to the drill/driver I asked him if Festool made an impact driver. He proceeded to tell me that with Festool there is no need for an impact driver because the design of the motor allows you to get a lot of torque at extrememly low speeds, therefore eliminating the need for an impact driver.

He had me until he said that, and from then on all I heard was Charlie Brown's teacher, Mrs. Donovan (bet y'all didn't know that)

The Kapex certainly looks like an exceptional tool. I really liked how finely you could dial-in the bevel settings.
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:10 PM   #2
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He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.

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Old 05-14-2010, 04:20 PM   #4
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He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.
That's interesting. I wont get the Festool drill because they have no impact driver. I can't imagine driving a 3" screw into 100+ year old hardwood framing without one. It seems like you would have a hard time not stripping the bit or the screw without the impact even if it did have the power.
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For some reason I knew he was going to agree with the guy!
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That's interesting. I wont get the Festool drill because they have no impact driver. I can't imagine driving a 3" screw into 100+ year old hardwood framing without one. It seems like you would have a hard time not stripping the bit or the screw without the impact even if it did have the power.
I have not had that problem, part of it is due to the drill, part due to using a good screw (GRK's)


I have run 6" GRK RSS structural screws into the hardest old growth timber you can find. The only problems I have ever had were a few broken GRK tips.
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He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.
I did until I really started using one with a light on it. That light is awesome.
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I did until I really started using one with a light on it. That light is awesome.
Their new c-15 is their first drill with a built in light. Their new jig saw has a strobe light.

I agree, the light is handy however the german's thought it was silly.

I think some of their things are silly too.
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He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.
I guess if you do all your work in a laboratory-like clean room, then you would think that lights on a drill are silly, but when you find yourself buried in a closet, or under a house, or in an attic with inadequate light, those silly little things come in damned handy.

Engineers are wonderful things, but they should never tell you what you need. If we say a light would help, then they should listen.
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I guess if you do all your work in a laboratory-like clean room, then you would think that lights on a drill are silly, but when you find yourself buried in a closet, or under a house, or in an attic with inadequate light, those silly little things come in damned handy.

Engineers are wonderful things, but they should never tell you what you need. If we say a light would help, then they should listen.

They did, reluctantly.
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He proceeded to tell me that with Festool there is no need for an impact driver because the design of the motor allows you to get a lot of torque at extrememly low speeds, therefore eliminating the need for an impact driver.
I'd be really interested in hearing how that reduces the strain on your wrist.
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For an old guy with corrective lenses, the light is a necessity.
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I'd be really interested in hearing how that reduces the strain on your wrist.
There's just no comparison between a drill/driver and an impact driver. He was just a bit overzealous about the Festool. I don't blame him, he had obviously had a lot of green coolaid to drink.

He did show me this cool attachment that goes on the drill/driver - an offset chuck. If you're in a tight spot and the a standard chuck is just too fat to fit this thing looked like it would work great.
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There's just no comparison between a drill/driver and an impact driver.
I agree.

I have the Festool C12, and it is the best drill I have used. It has tremendous power for a 12v system. The biggest advantage, as Darcy suggested, the control. It has all the power you need for most finish work and cabinetmaking. That is what the system was designed for.

For really tough tasks, I still use my impact drivers.

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