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Knighton 05-14-2010 03:43 PM

Finally met Festool!
 
Well I have never actually seen the Kapex, so while I was on a trip this week, I found a WoodCraft store that sold them. Upon my arrival I was greeted by the sales guy there who obviously loved Festool. He not only touted the Kapex, but was showing me the entire Festool line.

When he got to the drill/driver I asked him if Festool made an impact driver. He proceeded to tell me that with Festool there is no need for an impact driver because the design of the motor allows you to get a lot of torque at extrememly low speeds, therefore eliminating the need for an impact driver.

He had me until he said that, and from then on all I heard was Charlie Brown's teacher, Mrs. Donovan (bet y'all didn't know that)

The Kapex certainly looks like an exceptional tool. I really liked how finely you could dial-in the bevel settings.:notworthy

WarnerConstInc. 05-14-2010 04:10 PM

He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.

neolitic 05-14-2010 04:17 PM

Watch out, Warner's coming
with a "gift".....

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/u...-and-green.jpg

Jason Whipple 05-14-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc. (Post 937721)
He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.

That's interesting. I wont get the Festool drill because they have no impact driver. I can't imagine driving a 3" screw into 100+ year old hardwood framing without one. It seems like you would have a hard time not stripping the bit or the screw without the impact even if it did have the power.

Knighton 05-14-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neolitic (Post 937726)
Watch out, Warner's coming
with a "gift".....

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/u...-and-green.jpg

For some reason I knew he was going to agree with the guy!

WarnerConstInc. 05-14-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason W (Post 937729)
That's interesting. I wont get the Festool drill because they have no impact driver. I can't imagine driving a 3" screw into 100+ year old hardwood framing without one. It seems like you would have a hard time not stripping the bit or the screw without the impact even if it did have the power.

I have not had that problem, part of it is due to the drill, part due to using a good screw (GRK's)


I have run 6" GRK RSS structural screws into the hardest old growth timber you can find. The only problems I have ever had were a few broken GRK tips.

Gus Dering 05-14-2010 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc. (Post 937721)
He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.

I did until I really started using one with a light on it. That light is awesome.:thumbup:

WarnerConstInc. 05-14-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Dering (Post 937789)
I did until I really started using one with a light on it. That light is awesome.:thumbup:

Their new c-15 is their first drill with a built in light. Their new jig saw has a strobe light.

I agree, the light is handy however the german's thought it was silly.

I think some of their things are silly too.:laughing:

Double-A 05-14-2010 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc. (Post 937721)
He is right, once I got my c-12, I have lost my two impact drivers.

Rumor has it they are working to develop a quiet impact driver.
They still think lights on drills are silly too.

I guess if you do all your work in a laboratory-like clean room, then you would think that lights on a drill are silly, but when you find yourself buried in a closet, or under a house, or in an attic with inadequate light, those silly little things come in damned handy.

Engineers are wonderful things, but they should never tell you what you need. If we say a light would help, then they should listen.

WarnerConstInc. 05-14-2010 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double-A (Post 937796)
I guess if you do all your work in a laboratory-like clean room, then you would think that lights on a drill are silly, but when you find yourself buried in a closet, or under a house, or in an attic with inadequate light, those silly little things come in damned handy.

Engineers are wonderful things, but they should never tell you what you need. If we say a light would help, then they should listen.


They did, reluctantly.:laughing:

Tinstaafl 05-14-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knighton (Post 937714)
He proceeded to tell me that with Festool there is no need for an impact driver because the design of the motor allows you to get a lot of torque at extrememly low speeds, therefore eliminating the need for an impact driver.

I'd be really interested in hearing how that reduces the strain on your wrist. :blink:

tang 05-14-2010 06:19 PM

For an old guy with corrective lenses, the light is a necessity.

Knighton 05-14-2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinstaafl (Post 937829)
I'd be really interested in hearing how that reduces the strain on your wrist. :blink:

There's just no comparison between a drill/driver and an impact driver. He was just a bit overzealous about the Festool. I don't blame him, he had obviously had a lot of green coolaid to drink.

He did show me this cool attachment that goes on the drill/driver - an offset chuck. If you're in a tight spot and the a standard chuck is just too fat to fit this thing looked like it would work great.

mwhafner 05-15-2010 07:41 AM

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There's just no comparison between a drill/driver and an impact driver.
I agree.

I have the Festool C12, and it is the best drill I have used. It has tremendous power for a 12v system. The biggest advantage, as Darcy suggested, the control. It has all the power you need for most finish work and cabinetmaking. That is what the system was designed for.

For really tough tasks, I still use my impact drivers.


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