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Old 09-10-2013, 06:26 PM   #21
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Where are you planning on putting the electrical to run the margarita machine? Or is that too girly to make it into the man cave?
I have a dedicated 20 amp circuit running into the first cabinet and will install wire mold inside cabinet..
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Old 09-10-2013, 06:34 PM   #22
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Rich.... It's going to look nice... nice job.... except your blue and orange colors are a little off shade...GO BRONCOES

Coincidentally, I have almost the same bar.

I've done several bars... and I never ran into that rail profile... it sure has me confused.. would like to see a drawing on it.

If you haven't bought it yet... you might want to consider a different profile.... not sure...

Per the pic's I just took.... the profile on my own bar rail is much simpler.

Basically, you have a sub bar top, and then a smaller/inset bar top that allows your railing dadoe/rabbit to lay on (screwed) to probably 4-5" of the rail.

Note the end cap pic... that is basically this bar rail profile... actually it's and end cap and the actual rail is rabbited probably another 1.5"-2" wider.

The underneath pictures just show about 1/2" of the sub top... the fact that it isn't flush with the rail rabbit has never been a problem (no one ever catches their clothes on it or anything.)

In the other pics, the top bar lip is not as tall as yours mainly because of the granite tile finish which was butted to the rail.

That rail is very sturdy... it's been around almost 20 years... with many years of the entire softball team drinking at it... and sometimes on it.

If you do use that profile, I'd sure like to see how it gets integrated... maybe I'll run into some day.

Best and nice job.... Good luck

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figured id get alot of the nfl talk in the thread...

Sadly.. I bought it already.. Both places i buy from has the same millwork supplier.. Should of gave this thought before purchasing it..

It seems the profile needs to rest on a surface under the bar top.. But that makes zero sense.. And will conflict with my raised panel design..

The only thing a can think of is making custom brackets screwed under the top and bent on angle to screw to the back of the rail..

If i do it out of 1/8 aluminum flat stock and countersink holes it should work fine.. Just stupid to have to do..

Wish the profile had another grove....
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Since you are festool invested already, buy the festool 1010 router with the LR32 hole drilling system. I got it recently when I had to do a ton of shelf pin holes. Amazing system.
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Rich.... Just brainstorming....

Don't know if your present bar top is big enough... but it looks like it is

Don't know if you glued (or just screwed) your top lamination of the bar top....

But could you trim your top lamination back about 4-5 inches.... then cut that corellary rabbit in the rail.... and set the rail in,.. well glued and under screwed.?

Angle iron or angle channel may work also.... but do remember that often people sit at the bar and I'm sure you don't want anything sharp or protruding to catch clothes etc.

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Since you are festool invested already, buy the festool 1010 router with the LR32 hole drilling system. I got it recently when I had to do a ton of shelf pin holes. Amazing system.
Its a great simple. I just dont do it often enough to justify the cost of the rails alone.. I recently missed one go on ebay for like 40 bucks..
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Rich.... Just brainstorming....

Don't know if your present bar top is big enough... but it looks like it is

Don't know if you glued (or just screwed) your top lamination of the bar top....

But could you trim your top lamination back about 4-5 inches.... then cut that corellary rabbit in the rail.... and set the rail in,.. well glued and under screwed.?

Angle iron or angle channel may work also.... but do remember that often people sit at the bar and I'm sure you don't want anything sharp or protruding to catch clothes etc.

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I glued and screwed the top together so theres no separating that now..

I have to ask what is a corellary rabbit.. Im assuming your referring its the 2 grove..

I would need a shaper to get that groove in myself.. Which i dont have..

The brackets would be made from 1/8 aluminum flat stock so it shouldn't be a problem..
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Nice project.
Have you ever used Outwater Plastic right there in NJ.
http://www.outwatercatalogs.com/lg_d...ght/bar%20rail
They have the two step rail which is much easier to work. A little late but for the future. I'm sure you will make up some nice support brackets.
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Nice project.
Have you ever used Outwater Plastic right there in NJ.
http://www.outwatercatalogs.com/lg_d...ght/bar%20rail
They have the two step rail which is much easier to work. A little late but for the future. I'm sure you will make up some nice support brackets.
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Thats the type i was looking for.. Next time i guess. There prices are crazy cheap..
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The last 2 days i have been working on the raised panels and the trim.. Ive also attached the tops.


Here is the 1x oak i used to obtain my raised panel look.. I used dominos in most of the joints and glued and pin nailed them up..



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Now the panel molding, 1/4 rounds and kick boards..



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Still missing some 1/4 round around the bottom of the bar top and im holding off on nailing the piece by the wall so i can touch up paint...
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Looks Great Rich...
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Since it's NFL themed, I was thinking more like the New Orleans Saints
Yeah, hard to get too fired up about Vanderbilt. But don't tell my boss I said that.
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Ok so i think this is what im going to do with the top bar rail..

Mocked this up in the shop this morning.. Aluminum flat stock, bent, drilled and countersunk with a 1/2 block on the back of the rail which i will cut on an angle to get the hard edge off.

Im making 9 of them. Should only take an hour.. just have to predrill the entire length of the screw to prevent spliting of the oak rail.

Should work fine...



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looks great rich!

that rail is from garden state millwork?
outwater plastics and outwater hardware have a lot of inventory for this kind of stuff. all reasonably priced.
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I've done a couple of these, I'd suggest taking a router and removing about 1 3/4" of the top piece of plywood and putting a corresponding plow into the rail.
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Looks Great...The customer will be thrilled..

IMO although the methods of joinery show off your skillset, I think they are unnecessary for that project. Especially under the bar....
Additionally , I have built several bars using the Chicago Bar rail(from Dykes Lumber in NJ) and all I did was use some good wood glue and some scres from underneath. The rails are rock solid.....
Again...The bar looks beautiful!!
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I didn't have to worry about a top as they wanted marble. I do like the traditional wood tops though.
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I used the same bar rail here.. Lots of glue and some screws, no issues.
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looks great rich!

that rail is from garden state millwork?
outwater plastics and outwater hardware have a lot of inventory for this kind of stuff. all reasonably priced.
Yes its from garden state millwork..

Ill try to get the rail from outwater next time round..
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Looks Great...The customer will be thrilled..

IMO although the methods of joinery show off your skillset, I think they are unnecessary for that project. Especially under the bar....
Additionally , I have built several bars using the Chicago Bar rail(from Dykes Lumber in NJ) and all I did was use some good wood glue and some scres from underneath. The rails are rock solid.....
Again...The bar looks beautiful!!
If i didnt use all them dominos i would of used dados everywhere.. I like them being nice and solid.

Glad to hear you have used that profile with success..i will be glueing the lip on with tb2 and screw it.. Plus the brackets will support it plenty. Just have to make sure to pre drill everything. Dont want any splits.

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