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Old 02-23-2013, 10:44 PM   #1
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I have done a bunch of crown over 15 years but my corner cabinets always were deeper than the others. Not this time. I had a trim carpenter on this job and the work looks real good, but I have never seen crown cut like this. The homeowner loved it, so I'm happy because that's what is important! What do you guys do in this situation?
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:01 PM   #2
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I have done a bunch of crown over 15 years but my corner cabinets always were deeper than the others. Not this time. I had a trim carpenter on this job and the work looks real good, but I have never seen crown cut like this. The homeowner loved it, so I'm happy because that's what is important! What do you guys do in this situation?
Well, I'll give you that...

I've never seen it cut like that either.


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I can't tell in that pic, is the crown installed backwards?
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I can't tell in that pic, is the crown installed backwards?
I thought that too...

It looks like it by the way that return is but I don't think so.
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I can't tell in that pic, is the crown installed backwards?
No it is not. It is Shrock crown. It came with the bottom cleat that tongue and grooved together. So it could only go one way. I was on site working but not cutting crown. Here is another pic.

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I understand now. It's fugly though.
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Everything else looks good.

That return detail is just a little odd.
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I agree it's odd. I'm not sure i would go as far as fugly , but I think it doesn't flow right. The lines just don't match everything else.
By the way the trim carpenter on this one was my father in law, so I probably won't tell him it's "fugly", but next time it come up I would Ike to show him NICELY how I want it done .
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I agree it's odd. I'm not sure i would go as far as fugly , but I think it doesn't flow right. The lines just don't match everything else.
By the way the trim carpenter on this one was my father in law, so I probably won't tell him it's "fugly", but next time it come up I would Ike to show him NICELY how I want it done .
that's all...
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Something more like what Tenon has. But, what's behind the goofy vertical return? If it's empty, or ugly, then the vertical return hides it, and a normal return wouldn't (and you'd have to come up with a stain-matched filler piece, at least). I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the carpenter made that choice.
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Something more like what Tenon has. But, what's behind the goofy vertical return? If it's empty, or ugly, then the vertical return hides it, and a normal return wouldn't (and you'd have to come up with a stain-matched filler piece, at least). I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the carpenter made that choice.
Ya, I saw the pick tenon put up on google. When I got home Friday night I googled it and that's what I found. We didn't have extra fillers, so he couldn't have done that. We are actually 1 filler short, next to the dishwasher. I put a pine one in just so my counters could get lasered.
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I agree that is just wrong. Crown should never be returned vertically.
I like Tenons picture much better.

If the customer loves it, I guess you're alright to let it go.


I would have considered just butting or a butt/scribe if needed. That is if the door would clear it.

I'm not blaming you. As far as I'm concerned the designer is at fault here. That crown should have been drawn in to allow for some sort of proper termination. IMO, it's too big anyways.

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I agree it's odd. I'm not sure i would go as far as fugly , but I think it doesn't flow right. The lines just don't match everything else.
By the way the trim carpenter on this one was my father in law, so I probably won't tell him it's "fugly", but next time it come up I would Ike to show him NICELY how I want it done .
Just email him a link to this thread
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Ultimately, the cabinet designer fubared this one, but he should have stopped it shorter and returned it to the cabinet run.
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I agree.

The craftsmanship is good, but at the end of the day it's bad design.
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I've done it like tennon, even sans-filler... just let it die into the corner cab.

Either way, it will interfere somewhat with the door
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That looks horrible. Should have been self returned just short of the corner cabinet.
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You could do a two piece return at 22.5*. That is a compromise between the return Tenon shows and a 90* return that would interfere with the door operation.

The two piece return gets you closer to the corner, so less filler shows, but still gives some room for door opening.

That crown does look upside down too, as others have said. Even if "designed" to be installed that way, it still looks wrong.
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Here is an article on "Terminating vs. Supportive" molding profiles.

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Basically the molding chosen in the kitchen in question should have a terminating (cyma recta) molding but it has a supportive molding (cyma reversa) which is most commonly seen these days in bed mold profiles.

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