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Old 09-11-2012, 04:15 PM   #1
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Hi
I got project in Chicago's downtown condo.
Owners want to install 3 piece crown thru whole apartment - around 630 lnf of crown.
My problem is, all ceilings are solid concrete and all wall are drywall over metal studs.
I been planing to use trim screws to attach to wall( screw into metal studs) and drill 1/4" holes in ceiling, wood plug them and drive trim screws to attach ceiling piece -of course use adhesive too
Maybe there is better way to do it?
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:18 PM   #2
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Install a backer first then nail as usual.

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Install a backer first then nail as usual.
How backer will help me to install 3 piece crown- by 3 piece i mean : base installed on wall, base installed on ceiling and then crown molding installed over

Somethink like this , but bigger size and different profile:



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I would think of just installing a chamfer strip. I'm sure thats what Doc meant.

Possibly just screwing into the top plate/studs of the wall. Construction adhesive or silicone e.t.c. against the concrete.

I would refrain from drilling into the concrete.


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Tapcon the base to ceiling, hiding screws where crown will cover, do the same with trim screws on wall piece. Nail crown up with short brads into your built up pieces. If ceiling is relatively flat not many screws would be needed if you used some PL to bridge between them.
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On a somewhat related note, I recently posted about trying to match up to some plaster crown. We had to demo a wall and needed to try to match the existing crown. We decided to go with a 3 piece and completely envelope the existing crown. Homeowner is thrilled.
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After second thought I think I need to talk with building engineer -perhaps ceiling is PT slab? -so no drilling or tap-cons in ceiling allowed

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Cut blocks and pl to wall and ceiling. Shoot a 15g nail into wall to hold till glue dries.
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After second thought I think I need to talk with building engineer -perhaps ceiling is PT slab? -so no drilling or tap-cons in ceiling allowed

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Was just about to ask that...still could do the base and backer on the wall...
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One possibility;

Cut a backer so that the edge away from the wall will meet the back edge of your base at the ceiling. Then pocket screw the base to the backer with adhesive at the ceiling.

If you back bevel one or the other slightly, it may lend some upward pressure to the ceiling when you tighten the pocket screws.

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Gus is on the right track . If you add a rip to bottom of each piece of baseboard you could screw them together as a large "L" , screw it to the wall , glue it to the ceiling, install the crown , collect your check and head off to the next job.
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Haven't done this, so just a theory. If possible, for the field, nail the two baseboards to the backer first. Install (3 piece) backer, Install (4th piece) crown. You'd have to play with the corners. Nevermind just read the above two posts.
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After second thought I think I need to talk with building engineer -perhaps ceiling is PT slab? -so no drilling or tap-cons in ceiling allowed

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Had to do this before on a pt ceiling. We weren't allowed to drill or tapcon but we were able to use powder actuated fasteners. Got a
Bunch of washered fasteners and shot the ceiling peice to the concrete, then the wal pieces were glue and nailed, the installed crown.
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Tapcon the base to ceiling, hiding screws where crown will cover, do the same with trim screws on wall piece. Nail crown up with short brads into your built up pieces. If ceiling is relatively flat not many screws would be needed if you used some PL to bridge between them.
when the ceiling is concrete its normally a lot harder then your normal home foundation. some of these old condos are built like bomb shelters. probably would burn a lot of bits and break off a lot of tap con heads.

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