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Old 09-05-2017, 11:50 AM   #1
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I've ran into a corner I've never dealt with before on hanging crown. The room is a large rectangle with an 18 degree vaulted ceiling and then there is a small nook where the ceiling is not vaulted.

The crown has been hung all the way around the rest of the room and looks good - but all I have been able to come up with for this corner is to do returns on both ends, and I don't like how that looks. It's an outside 90 degree corner where one wall has a flat ceiling, and the other wall has an 18 degree vaulted ceiling.

Is there any way to make that corner? The way the crown sits on the two walls, it is about 3/4 of an inch different in height. I don't want to bring the crown down on the left side to match the right and put a filler piece between the crown and the ceiling because that will mess up things on the next corner, where I have a pie piece and then a 16' long piece that goes to the peak of the vault.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Crown Around An Odd Outside Corner


Here is a picture of it.
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Here is a picture of it.
Horizontal to Rake with No Corner Transition Piece
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hope you get a picture of this when it is done . struggling to follow what Greg posted
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hope you get a picture of this when it is done . struggling to follow what Greg posted
Maybe this will help.
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where's Tipi when you really need him
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Looks like :poop:
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the piece of crown on the left of the corner is at a higher plane than the one on the right. will there be three pieces necessary to complete that corner?
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Some things just can't be made to work and still look good. I think this is one of them.


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If nothing else, a plinth block would look better than what is there now.
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If nothing else, a plinth block would look better than what is there now.
That has been my conclusion all along. A nicely done 1 pc block would probably look cleaner than 3 or 4 bstd pieces that are at different slopes/planes.
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my first thought was also a block . though i have issue with a single block .would it look off to do all the corners in blocks .or would just the two odd angles be enough to balance things . visually one block seems like a mistake or hiding a mistake .how to make it seem like it is meant to be .
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I'd be inclined to leave the connecting wall out of it altogether. Maybe return the side room further back from the outside corner. (Oh, and paint the crown so it draws less attention.)
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I'd be inclined to leave the connecting wall out of it altogether. Maybe return the side room further back from the outside corner. (Oh, and paint the crown so it draws less attention.)
this might make the most sense .
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Savior here. You can not joint them properly. It is rake eave problem and it is googable. What he can do twist one or both crown more till he get good enough joint. It is not much of cathedral ceiling so he should be capable do it. Right solution is two different size crowns and is not applicable here.

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Personally, corner blocks are generally a copout ... but sometimes it's all you got
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It is easier to cut your angles vs. making corner blocks. If you make corner blocks you have to make them for every corner, because one block at one corner will look out of place and it will stick out.
If you try dead-dead end both sides and fiddle with paint trying to hide it, that will look like an amateur job.
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I've ran into a corner I've never dealt with before on hanging crown. The room is a large rectangle with an 18 degree vaulted ceiling and then there is a small nook where the ceiling is not vaulted.

The crown has been hung all the way around the rest of the room and looks good - but all I have been able to come up with for this corner is to do returns on both ends, and I don't like how that looks. It's an outside 90 degree corner where one wall has a flat ceiling, and the other wall has an 18 degree vaulted ceiling.

Is there any way to make that corner? The way the crown sits on the two walls, it is about 3/4 of an inch different in height. I don't want to bring the crown down on the left side to match the right and put a filler piece between the crown and the ceiling because that will mess up things on the next corner, where I have a pie piece and then a 16' long piece that goes to the peak of the vault.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
The flat ceiling is your benchmark. The crown should have been lower. There is no fix. Adding a plinth block isn't helping. Leave it alone, or lower the upper crown.
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It is easier to cut your angles vs. making corner blocks. If you make corner blocks you have to make them for every corner, because one block at one corner will look out of place and it will stick out.
If you try dead-dead end both sides and fiddle with paint trying to hide it, that will look like an amateur job.
You have special situation there where is crown 45 and cathedral ceiling is 45.
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You have special situation there where is crown 45 and cathedral ceiling is 45.
He doesn't have a special situation, a rake molding, is larger. He faked it by changing the spring angle of the horizontal crown, and then rolled it.

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