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Old 06-25-2015, 01:29 AM   #21
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That's always going to be a problem with those kinds of details.
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Why oh why did they build that newel post with the grain on the rail going with the stile? Never seen that before. Couple of those miters look like they were never tight, looks like putty cracked out. And tell me that is a short run of rail beings it's nailed to the post. Sorry, end of rant.

Can't comment on the grain direction. These came from the factory and I think everything was tight. I imagine they keep the factory air condition optimal and they just blew apart when they went to the yard and then job site.

I did not install the rail. He runs a screw underneath in the plow and puts a couple nails through the top. What's your standard method?
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Why isn't that house air conditioned at this point? That much unfinished wood and being installed in the summer here would be a recipe for disaster by the winter time. Gaps everywhere.
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Can't comment on the grain direction. These came from the factory and I think everything was tight. I imagine they keep the factory air condition optimal and they just blew apart when they went to the yard and then job site.

I did not install the rail. He runs a screw underneath in the plow and puts a couple nails through the top. What's your standard method?
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Why isn't that house air conditioned at this point? That much unfinished wood and being installed in the summer here would be a recipe for disaster by the winter time. Gaps everywhere.
I would never have let the material be delivered to an unconditioned house nor would I even put the first stick in without it sitting for a couple weeks in a conditioned space.

Someone needs to get that place conditioned or they will just be pissing money away on replacing trim.
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Ironically, I've seen some pretty good trim work done way before AC that stayed pretty tight.

That newel post is a problematic design - it could be a lot less likely to open up with some changes.
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Can't comment on the grain direction. These came from the factory and I think everything was tight. I imagine they keep the factory air condition optimal and they just blew apart when they went to the yard and then job site.

I did not install the rail. He runs a screw underneath in the plow and puts a couple nails through the top. What's your standard method?

I never nail rails, plugged screws or rail bolts only. Sorry on the post, I'm so used to trimming out the posts onsite.

Hopefully they get that under control and condition the space, or somebody's liability insurance is going to get a workout.
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Ironically, I've seen some pretty good trim work done way before AC that stayed pretty tight.

That newel post is a problematic design - it could be a lot less likely to open up with some changes.
True, but that is way different then the crap they turn into moulding and trim now. Plus houses were not wrapped in plastic on the inside an outside then.

I also bet there was more care in material storage as well.

Anyone check moisture content of anything in that house?
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That's easy - so the mitered corners / jointsdon't open up due to mismatch in swelling / shrinking with the underlying post, just like the applied molding at the top did.

Wouldn't that actually compound the problem with more width across the grain? I've done raised panel box newels, and have always assembled like a cabinet door.
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Wouldn't that actually compound the problem with more width across the grain? I've done raised panel box newels, and have always assembled like a cabinet door.
No, the wood on the underlying post is swelling and shrinking cross grain, so the movement matches best if the panel rails and style are all cross grain as well.

I'm like you, I make panels like a cabinet door, mainly so I don't have to custom make moldings cross grain. The little bit of molding at the top of the newel would break real easily if done cross grain with the grain running parallel to the post's grain - I don't think there's a good solution, just better joinery.
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It's pretty easy to understand this way. Take 4 boards and run them through a CNC that somehow gives you all the profiles and details you want for the exterior, and 45 the edges so they can be assembled with mitered corners. Glue it up. I think everyone has done a box like this without the detail, and they don't really open up at the miters.

You can see for yourself in the picture already posted - the stile and rail joints are fine, none of that opened up.
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True, but that is way different then the crap they turn into moulding and trim now. Plus houses were not wrapped in plastic on the inside an outside then.

I also bet there was more care in material storage as well.

Anyone check moisture content of anything in that house?
I'll give you all those points. The wider growth rings and smaller diameter trees being used for the lumber we get is a problem for movement, rot, ... well, it's just a problem.
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Not that you would want to but if it was painted, you could built the entire post wrap out of PVC. If its all PVC the moulding and flat stock will move at the same rate. All of my exterior columns are as tight as the day I installed them 8 years ago.

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