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Old 01-16-2019, 09:11 PM   #1
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Cabinet Trim Fastening


Has anyone gone to all headless assemblies?

I see they make guns with longer nails now I have always done fascia and soffit with a brad nails pins in miters or small accessories.

I saw Grex makes a 2" capcity headless nail, maybe with hot glue......could save some work.

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Old 01-16-2019, 10:55 PM   #2
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couple of friends of mine on the coast use the grex headless pins for cabinet trim install.

they do a lot of craftsman style trim also and use the grex there.

they are high end guys also.

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I've been using a 23 gauge for cabinet trim for at least about a decade. I've never had an issue with it. My grex shoots 2", but I don't think I ever really use that length

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I love pin nailers but I typically only use them with some type of adhesive
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I've been using a 23 gauge for cabinet trim for at least about a decade. I've never had an issue with it. My grex shoots 2", but I don't think I ever really use that length

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Me too but exclusively? I think my pinner maxes out at an 1-1.25
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We glue and pin cabinet trim all the time. My pin nailer only goes to about 1"? I'm not sure about a 2" pin. That's a really small diameter to go that far, into material. I'm thinking it would have a problem with curving as it went in. Even with the smaller ones, they will curve out the side, sometimes.
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A lot of painted cabinets are MDF so cross stitching a crown to ceiling or joining a miter should be good. Cherry could be a problem in some cases
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I’d ask tipi.
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For smaller pieces of molding I shoot 2 pins in each location at opposing angles. So one pin angled down and one up, or one forward and one back. The steepness of the angle is based on the thickness of the substrate.
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I've had good luck with a 21 ga from Cadex. Stitch the joint with the 21 and wax stick it. If it's a challenging color to retouch or MDF, I'll skip the face-nails. Regardless, I use HiPur, high-strength hot melt, or TB Trim & Moulding glue and glue a dowel to the inside of an outside miter. Rock solid.
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I've had good luck with a 21 ga from Cadex. Stitch the joint with the 21 and wax stick it. If it's a challenging color to retouch or MDF, I'll skip the face-nails. Regardless, I use HiPur, high-strength hot melt, or TB Trim & Moulding glue and glue a dowel to the inside of an outside miter. Rock solid.
That is the way I do it also, pre assemble in manageable sections, hot melt glue as needed and pins. I do use screws at times to hold the blocking or grooved trim cap to the cabinet rails
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Outside corners I always use 18g nails since most crowns being hardwood
so they have better holding power and I always get touch up kits with every kitchen so after feeling the holes you cannot tell looking up so it's seamless.
All inside corners I assemble on the ground using fast-cap glue and install as one piece, they will never open up due to a seasonal movement.

Pinners are good for scribe moldings, inlays, etc.
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I pre assembled all three sections of this crown today. TBI and 21ga nails cross stitching the corners. Hot glue with a dowel on the back side.

21 ga to nail them to my 3 fillers screwed to the top of the cabinets as the first piece of crown.



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I like those spring clamps, do they work well? The set I have are just a D shaped piece. It takes a lot of pressure to set them and then try o get the pliers back off them without dislodging the clamp. Might have t look for some of those.
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I like those spring clamps, do they work well? The set I have are just a D shaped piece. It takes a lot of pressure to set them and then try o get the pliers back off them without dislodging the clamp. Might have t look for some of those.
Collins clamps are great, get a dozen and the pliers.

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I like those spring clamps, do they work well? The set I have are just a D shaped piece. It takes a lot of pressure to set them and then try o get the pliers back off them without dislodging the clamp. Might have t look for some of those.
They're a must if you're gonna install much trim. I got a set in the shop & the trailer.
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These are the ones I have, they are made by Fulton. Same idea but I find them a bit too stiff to get them on and off nicely.
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I use the bigger spring miter clamps (Ulmia brand) they work well on casings and larger materials. I use Collins for cab trim, smaller trim and returns etc!
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Outside corners I always use 18g nails since most crowns being hardwood
so they have better holding power and I always get touch up kits with every kitchen so after feeling the holes you cannot tell looking up so it's seamless.
All inside corners I assemble on the ground using fast-cap glue and install as one piece, they will never open up due to a seasonal movement.

Pinners are good for scribe moldings, inlays, etc.
I avoid using CA on prefin. The aerosol accelerator for 2P10 can severely jack up the finish. Changes sheen at minimum if it hits it and I've had it turn whites a light purple. I've taken the fluid out of the pump spray bottles and put it in an empty stain pen. The stuff is way too brittle to handle most of the assemblies i put up so all i use it for is returns.
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I pre assembled all three sections of this crown today. TBI and 21ga nails cross stitching the corners. Hot glue with a dowel on the back side.

21 ga to nail them to my 3 fillers screwed to the top of the cabinets as the first piece of crown.



If I have to show a fastener on prefinished it's a 21g slight head and usually backed up with glue blocks. 23g aren't enough and using an 18 is a great way to get asked to never come back.

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