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Old 05-03-2010, 06:59 PM   #1
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Gonna revamp my landlords boat it is a Sea Ray 300 Sundancer. The inside and outside tables are made of particle board with a laminate on them. The outside one will be changed to QS White Oak with a medium brown stain on it, the inside table will be natural Cherry. All the cabinets in the cabin will be veneered with Cherry and clear coated with a semi gloss conversion lacquer. The cabin floor is carpet and will be changed out to a laminate floor (his choice). The deck and diving areas will be covered with a marine grade plywood that is Teak and Holly in a strip pattern to resemble the old Teak and caulk layouts they had on boats. I redid the gauge cluster, use to be a black plastic, now it is veneered with Cherry and stained to match the steering wheel. I re-did the steering wheel. Stripped the damaged plastic finish off of it and put an exterior grade water base poly carbonate urethane on it. I use this on my exterior doors.

The doors on the cabinets are 1/2" 7 ply plywood with a white gloss phenolic layer on the show side and a thinner, duller version on the backside. I have covered these with Cherry veneer and coated them. I still have to cover the cabinet surfaces with the veneer. That should be real fun. Curves and tight quarters. Here are some progress shots.













Here is one of the cabin cabinet doors, before:


I took off the white edgeband and replaced with Cherry veneer:


Then I sanded the glossy surface off with 100 grit, wiped down with DNA:


Then using a pre glued veneer I applied the Cherry:
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:02 PM   #2
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Then using a razor blade I punched the starter holes for routing the existing Euro hinge holes and the knob hole:


Routing complete:


The knobs are kind of neat. The are flush to the surface and you push them and they pop out and you have an nice shaped handle. I took these and ground the face flat and veneered them. Before, sanded face, veneered:







The doors are done and finished. I mocked up what it looks like with one of those knobs. When I was choosing the veneer patches for the knobs I made sure there was no grain stripes in any of them. So they are all mono-toned cherry color. If I had some walnut burl veneer I think that would look cool.

Door with knob recessed:


Close up knob recessed:


Close up knob extended:


Put up the head door today. It won't be impacted by any of the other work so I figured putting it in the boat would be safer than leaving it in my shop.

Ripped out the carpeting today, just the floor. Not sure what we are going to be doing with the wall carpet. It is wrapped in and around other things and would be difficult if not impossible to remove it and have it look good.




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Floor is prefinished. For home use, not boat use. I hope it stands up. 'Cause I ain't warrantying it.

Here is the partial install. The hatch in the middle still needs to be glued down. I didn't think far enough ahead, I need to drill a hole in the sole for the pull up. By the time I figured I had to do that I had to worry about keeping the gap around the hatch consistent. So after the adhesive hardens up I will do the hatch and the couple of boards that you can't see because that is where I am standing taking the picture.



Got some progress pics of the veneer going up on the kitchen area. Still have to route the holes out to size and put up the doors.










More progress on the boat.

But first a little ditty on how a cabinet gets veneered.

Take the doors off the cabinet to get to just a face.


First thing is to make a template. I use masking paper, I cut some small holes in the paper and put masking tape on them, then I can stick the paper on the cabinet face and trace out lines for the outer dimensions and using the edge of my thumb press an outline into the paper and then trace it with my pencil.


Bring it into the shop and trace out the template on a pc of raw veneer, cut the holes near the door hole outline and put three coats of pre cat CV on it.

Back into the boat and you need to align the veneer perfect, you only get one chance. This stuff is incredibly sticky. The pc of veneer needs to be the right size, smaller is better, to big and you have a pain to trim it.


Then you cut out the hole with a router and sand the edges slightly. Apply the hinges and hang the door.


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Old 05-03-2010, 07:10 PM   #4
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Here is the kitchen area. It is almost complete. A couple more things to do. Put the door on next to the refrigerator. Veneering the area to the left. I tried doing it today but destroyed the veneer because it grabbed a few times and I got it off, but the last time I ripped it and there was no making it look good. So I destroyed it taking it off. I still have the original template and made another one and sprayed it in about 1 hour. I guess I'll try again tomorrow.


Finally got around to doing some of the decking. The finish is still fresh and because we are still working in the kitchen we are waiting until we are mostly through with that area so we keep the foot traffic off of it. I kept my drying room at 90 today to cure the decking as much as possible, it is set at 70 for overnight. We got two pcs in today, the other out of the way pcs were still to fresh for me to want to take the chance of putting them down.




OK, the job is as done as it can get. The boat left the parking lot this morning about 10am.









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As usual, you never fail to impress me with your talents.

Great looking work Leo
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Looks GREAT Leo! Save a seat for me!
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So when you coming to pick me & Ron up?
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Sweet work Leo. I see more boats in your future. Get ready to take your show dockside.
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Wow that looks great!!
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Nice Leo! Does he get to take you out afterward?
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The wife and I have an open invitation to go down on the boat. Not sure if I con convince the wife to come with me. Not really a boat person. And if I convert her I really don't need a hole in the ocean that I throw money into
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Looks very good as usual. Mind telling how you route the edges close to other perpendicular surfaces. Example: the first step near the door opening and the doors on either side of the micro wave, not to mention the curved part of the door to the left of the micro wave.
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Route? It is all patterns on the perpendicular surfaces. Have to have a perfect template and then a perfect placement. Not easy by any standard because of the nature of the contact cement on the back of the veneer. No room for error. Most of the holes on for the openings were routed and then cleaned up with a razor. The sticky part of the paper has a tendency to roll over instead of being cut clean and flush. Just the nature of the beast.

This would have been a pc of cake if I could have removed the cabinets, but everything was surrounded by upholstery and fixed in place. I had two whoopses. The curve area with the microwave was the first pc to go on. As I was bringing it from left to right it wrinkled. So I cut it and then seamed it in place. A little wax crayon and some finish and you can barely notice it. The other whoops was the area by the entryway with all the switches. I needed a perfect alignment with the other pc on the top and missed it by 1/32" which brought the lower section near the stairs out by about 3/16". So I had to rip it off. It destroyed the pc of veneer. We got the stair tread fronts from that pc. I did another one and it got a small wrinkle near the bottom. I put a pc of trim over it and called it done. It was the owners idea for the trim, not mine, he didn't mind as he knew how difficult it was to do it in place.
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Heheh, shows what I know about veneer. I thought you could get it close then route to flush everything. Didn't think about the veneer curling. Sounds like some tedious work. My hat is off to you.
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The veneer doesn't really curl, it is the glue (peel and stick) that is curling.
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Load that puppy up with some 40's and some hoes and get to living.
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Boat-O-Leo!

Would a pony router help?
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I was going to suggest an actual veneer trimmer but, I only know of one.

It is a nice one though.
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