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Old 03-15-2019, 11:40 AM   #41
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i do not have any specific research regarding tb3 compared to to ,well anything .
i am not familiar with shock resistant cyclamate . that would be an improvement .
i have an article from july august 07 FHB . they use a bridle joint to compare different glues .Polyurethane does not do very well .i was glad since it was such a pain to work with .cyclamates are not even considered .
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:00 AM   #42
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I glued one up using the tbII and two dots of ca to hold it until glue dried
that one held better then any of the others
just cant believe that the other wood glue sucked so much
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just cant believe it was that big of a difference

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There's a reason those of us who do a lot of glue ups, use TB2. If it works, don't fix it.
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Doing a lot of stuff outside I like TB3 for any domestics. The only problem I've ever had with it is if it stores too long it will separate into a clumpy mess. I also always use the titebond brush these days. That thing is awesome, keeps everything way cleaner and a perfect amount of glue.

TB2 I use for most edge glue ups.

Lots of epoxy for outside as well especially in exotics but that's a whole different animal. I've never gotten anything to stay put with TB3 on exotics no matter how I prepped, inside is a different story.
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Doing a lot of stuff outside I like TB3 for any domestics. The only problem I've ever had with it is if it stores too long it will separate into a clumpy mess. I also always use the titebond brush these days. That thing is awesome, keeps everything way cleaner and a perfect amount of glue.

TB2 I use for most edge glue ups.

Lots of epoxy for outside as well especially in exotics but that's a whole different animal. I've never gotten anything to stay put with TB3 on exotics no matter how I prepped, inside is a different story.
i had to make some exterior shelves from IPE ,did research and some found a review ,said his tb3 held the best . I the wiped the edge with something/alcohol or before glue-up .i also used dominoes .i told the client it was a dumb choice of wood . all i ever heard is that the boards warped big .never said they came apart .Well it held well enough that I got them delivered ,that I know .
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Doing a lot of stuff outside I like TB3 for any domestics. The only problem I've ever had with it is if it stores too long it will separate into a clumpy mess. I also always use the titebond brush these days. That thing is awesome, keeps everything way cleaner and a perfect amount of glue.

TB2 I use for most edge glue ups.

Lots of epoxy for outside as well especially in exotics but that's a whole different animal. I've never gotten anything to stay put with TB3 on exotics no matter how I prepped, inside is a different story.
What is this Titebond Brush you speak of?
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What is this Titebond Brush you speak of?
Itís just a silicone glue brush with TBís name on it.

These are the ones i use, have a few extra in the kitchen and grill area also.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/s...e-glue-brush-1

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does the brush help with anything? like bond better
or is it just for making spreading glue on a larger area easier?

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The right brush helps you get the right amount on. Some will give too little, some too much.
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does the brush help with anything? like bond better
or is it just for making spreading glue on a larger area easier?

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We use it to spread the glue in miter locks primarily.

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Whenever I am trimming or building something I clamp immediately i use TBI because it seems to require the least clamping time so when preassembling casing and small crown or base sections I can get them installed faster. If it is going to take a while to clamp or is exterior I use TBIII but I will say I hate the stuff. Every jug I buy seems to have sand in it. Dad has used TBII for years for any and everything and to my knowledge has never had a problem.
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Because it's a silicone brush it basically runs several beads across the surface which is exactly what I want every time.

Not too mention, if I forget to clean it, the glue (and even epoxy) will pull off of the head of the brush.
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Itís just a silicone glue brush with TBís name on it.

These are the ones i use, have a few extra in the kitchen and grill area also.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/s...e-glue-brush-1

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https://www.amazon.com/Fodier-Silico...ateway&sr=8-17
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First of those silocone glue brushes I ever bought were Rockler branded but I'm sure they weren't the first to market. Those basting brushes look like a much more cost effective option for gluing only. The Rockler, Titebond, Benchdog etc branded ones have a caulking spreader which is occasionally handy.

In my experience TBIII is the strongest if you get the joint clamped tight and keep it clamped until the glue sets but that's not always an option. TBII has a little more "give" once set than III which is better for pinned miter joints that might not (very likely not) be clamped as tight as something you had spring clamps on. If you've cleaned dried TBII and TBIII off glue bottle caps you'll notice the difference. Gorilla PVA glue isn't very good in my experience.

I've had pretty good results using 2p-10 and TBII and III. I spread TBII / III on the outside edge and a bead of TP-10 on the inside so any squeeze out of 2p-10 isn't visible and you can wipe the TB glue. If you've ever tried wiping 2p-10, or any CA glue for that matter with a damp rag, you will soon discover moisture instantly cures CA glue.
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So what is the longest amount of time you guys are willing to work with TB2 between putting it on the lumber and being done clamping it up? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? More?

Anyone ever use any the Titebond extended stuff?

I've been using almost entirely TB2 and it's done well for me but this last week I glued up a 23 foot bar top out of 8/4 maple (built in sections) and I think I was pushing the limits of the assembly time on the glue so it might nice to find some other options if anything like that comes up again.
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10 minutes easy I glue up large face frames onto a cabinet carcass and it can take me that long to do it by myself.
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So what is the longest amount of time you guys are willing to work with TB2 between putting it on the lumber and being done clamping it up? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? More?

Anyone ever use any the Titebond extended stuff?

I've been using almost entirely TB2 and it's done well for me but this last week I glued up a 23 foot bar top out of 8/4 maple (built in sections) and I think I was pushing the limits of the assembly time on the glue so it might nice to find some other options if anything like that comes up again.
I used TBII for a cutting board I made a while back, IIRC it was 18 pieces 1-1/4" x 14" glue surface. I tried gluing all of them at once (1 side of each then flipping them 90-degrees to clamp) and the glue set up before I could get all of the pieces lined up perfectly. Ended up with a couple joints ~1/32" out of alignment. It was a gift so it didn't really matter but that was the first and last time I'll use TBII on anything like that which might require some finagling. TBIII has a significant longer open time, and is what I typically use for just about everything that can be clamped for at least an hour. I leave butcher block tops and cutting boards glued up for at least 12 hours though.

I also recall some lab did a strength test of a bunch of wood glues and TBIII had the strongest bond of all they tested. I don't remember if TB or TBII was second but it was one of them. Still prefer II for trim work, but 3 is best for large glue ups.

You could always use a slow set 2 part epoxy if you don't mind the extra effort in cleaning up the squeeze out. Table top epoxy is workable for quite a long time and its bond strength is incredible. I'm probably going to use some to join an edge grain to end grain maple counter top I'm installing next week. I tested it out couple days ago, glued a 3/4"x1" x6" end grain to edge grain board and couldn't break it by by hand. Took a pretty solid hit from a hammer and it tore the edge grain.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is what I used.

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