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Old 03-11-2019, 12:01 PM   #21
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Re: Best Glue?


I've used Gorilla PVA glue once. Weird consistency, whitish tan, it worked.

But I've been using TBII nearly my whole career. Before that it didn't exist and I used TBI. TBI dries harder, it doesn't have the plasticizes in it to be more rubbery and resistant to outdoor conditions which induce greater movement in the wood. TBI tacks up quicker than TBII. Which in most instances isn't a good thing for me. I trust TBII and have only had one (group) failure with it in my career. It was on cherry and it just didn't work. Parts fell apart with a slight bending. Don't know what happened, threw that bottle away and never had another issue.

Listen to me carefully. Put the bottle of Gorilla glue down. Step back and slowly turn around. Run to the nearest store and by a TiteBond glue.
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Old 03-11-2019, 02:29 PM   #22
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Is gorrila wood glue any different from any other PVA glue?

I'm thinking the only reason CA glue worked better is due to lack of clamping pressure.
It's a moisture curing urethane. Wet the wood, and you can get it to foam up like crazy. On occasion, it's the best solution, but those are so few and far between for me, I just throw out the bottle after I use what I need.

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Listen to me carefully. Put the bottle of Gorilla glue down. Step back and slowly turn around. Run to the nearest store and by a TiteBond glue.
The current fascination with anything named "gorilla" lately escapes me.

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I just throw out the bottle after I use what I need.
A wisdom learned the hard way (same here) I bet !
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It's a moisture curing urethane. Wet the wood, and you can get it to foam up like crazy. On occasion, it's the best solution, but those are so few and far between for me, I just throw out the bottle after I use what I need.
No that's original Gorilla Glue, Gorilla wood is PVA.
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No that's original Gorilla Glue, Gorilla wood is PVA.
Good catch, I didn't get past the gorilla. I haven't tried their PVA. Regular old carpenter's glue is PVA. I don't know if gorilla PVA is better or worse. If regular carpenter's glue isn't good enough, I just go with TB2. Waterproof, I go with DAP urea-formaldehyde, TB3, or epoxy.
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haven't had a chance to try the tbII yet

hopefully get a chance to glue one up tomorrow

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Throw the Gorilla glue away. Get Titebond one or two. Stay away from three.


What is wrong with 3?
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I've just heard to many complaints about failures to want to take the chance with the glue.

By all means, you can use it and let me know if you have any issues
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I pretty much exclusively use TB2. But my understanding, TB3 is slower setting & has advantages being used in complex, time consuming glue ups. I've done glue ups where getting all clamps on in 10 minutes or less was quite the challenge.
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We have been using TBIII for about 25 years on our curved rail glue ups, without any issues. As mentioned by Pin, III gives more time to get claps set correctly on complicated glue ups. I've never seen any issues on anything we glue up, including fittings.
One thing to remember though is that you need to prime cuts on end grains before adding final glue. This is especially important on rail fittings. Just coat, let set about a minute or so, & add a re-coat. If not, joint will end up dry.
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I like Roo Glue, 2 minute clamps and you can't get the pieces apart.

I keep CA on hand for the times you just have to use it.

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I appreciate all the advice
I picked up some tbII yesterday
I'm going to mess around with it this weekend
so your saying it's best to glue both sides, let it sit for a minute to soak into the wood, then add more glue and clamp together?


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I appreciate all the advice
I picked up some tbII yesterday
I'm going to mess around with it this weekend
so your saying it's best to glue both sides, let it sit for a minute to soak into the wood, then add more glue and clamp together?


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I don't do it that way. I apply to one side & mate it with the other piece & move them back & forth to smear the glue to both surfaces, then clamp.
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I appreciate all the advice
I picked up some tbII yesterday
I'm going to mess around with it this weekend
so your saying it's best to glue both sides, let it sit for a minute to soak into the wood, then add more glue and clamp together?


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I didn't say that and don't really agree.

PVA coat one side and stick'm together. On rare occasions I'll clean my finger off on the other miter, but that's mostly to just clean my finger
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I didn't say that and don't really agree.

PVA coat one side and stick'm together. On rare occasions I'll clean my finger off on the other miter, but that's mostly to just clean my finger
I would agree on typical moldings, but It depends on what you are gluing...ie oak vs maple, & how important it is to hold. On simple mitered moldings it's no big deal. Rail fittings & such it is a big deal. I have experienced dry fit failures on fittings. Prime, & re-glue is cheap insurance. Tightening up fittings can take longer than anticipated.

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Leo -I also have been using tb3 for years . as far as i know it has never failed .have never heard of it failing for anyone .i have used in outside projects with 100% success also . Very surprised to hear you say that .
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I would agree on typical moldings, but It depends on what you are gluing...ie oak vs maple, & how important it is to hold. On simple mitered moldings it's no big deal. Rail fittings & such it is a big deal. I have experienced dry fit failures on fittings. Prime, & re-glue is cheap insurance. Tightening up fittings can take longer than anticipated.

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Softer woods like pine and poplar might benefit from coating both sides because of the open grain and the chance it may suck up some glue. But birch, maple and other harder woods won't really benefit from it. Just make sure you put enough on that it squeezes out just a bit. Not to the point it dripping onto the floor, but little glue bubbles. Nail it, wipe off the glue, with water if it's prefinished or sand it into place if it's going to get painted. It'll fill in any small gaps.
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Leo -I also have been using tb3 for years . as far as i know it has never failed .have never heard of it failing for anyone .i have used in outside projects with 100% success also . Very surprised to hear you say that .
Anytime I read something about TB3 it's a failure issue of some sort. Glad you guys have good luck with it. I won't be using it anytime soon.
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There is a lot to this topic. Best really depends on the details of what you're doing. TB3 tends to give weaker joints than some other glues, but that still can depend on species, surface roughness, and clamp pressure.

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