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Old 05-02-2015, 03:43 PM   #1
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59 Degree Crown Spring Angle For 10' Ceiling?


This is the steepest spring angle crown I've ever come across and was wondering if it's common.

10' ceilings. 7-1/4 crown. Spring angle comes to 58.8 the way the crown should look on the back side.

I know the common 38,45,52 common angles. Is 59 degrees common for tall ceilings?
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:15 PM   #2
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You need a hold of TT's DVD for install of crown if not wanting of much putty or caulk when trying to coping of that.









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Looks like it's upside down. Just seems to make more sense if the wall and ceiling labels were reversed.
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Looks like it's upside down. Just seems to make more sense if the wall and ceiling labels were reversed.

Agreed. But I'm not a designer.

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Agreed. But I'm not a designer.

Justin, get over here...
Just by looking at the angle and the contours it should be reversed. The way he has it now puts the terminating profile in the wrong spot. Plus I can't imagine a moulding with so much projection and so little drop.
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Just by looking at the angle and the contours it should be reversed. The way he has it now puts the terminating profile in the wrong spot. Plus I can't imagine a moulding with so much projection and so little drop.

I agree. My comment was meant to indicate I'm not very educated on how trim profiles work, but my gut thinks it looks odd that way.
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Most crown has the fancy part along the wall not the ceiling. Spencer I think you need to reverse it.
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What is a "spring angle"?
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What is a "spring angle"?
The angle of the crown between the wall and ceiling. Most common angle and what most miter saw detents are setup for is 38 deg.
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There are lots of spring angles other than 38 and 45. There are 2 different Windsor One profiles that I see regularly that have angles of 35 and 50. The odd angles are one of the reason I like to cut in position. I don't need to know/care what the angle is in order to cut it.

In the orientation you have it it can be coped but you might have some trouble cutting it in position. In the other orientation it can be cut in position but is uncopable because the round beads will drop below horizontal. Like others said the beads usually go at the top and the small round over is a terminating profile.

People that design uncopable mouldings like that have never installed or seen installed a single piece of crown. The titles are usually something like "architect" or "interior designer" but most of us usually refer to them as "idiot".
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The angle of the crown between the wall and ceiling. Most common angle and what most miter saw detents are setup for is 38 deg.
Ok..Now I'm feeling really dumb...If the wall is plumb and the ceiling level...Wouldn't the angle be 90 deg.?

Know of any good books or other references that explain all this? When I cut crown (rarely) I set it in the saw the way it goes on the ceiling and cut it at 45 deg.
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Ok..Now I'm feeling really dumb...If the wall is plumb and the ceiling level...Wouldn't the angle be 90 deg.?

Know of any good books or other references that explain all this? When I cut crown (rarely) I set it in the saw the way it goes on the ceiling and cut it at 45 deg.
So when you are setting your crown on the saw to cut it on a 45, the angle that it's sitting at is the spring angle.

Think of the assembly as a right triangle. The wall and ceiling are the legs and the crown is the hypotenuse. The angle of the wall leg and hypotenuse is the spring angle.
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ok..now i'm feeling really dumb...if the wall is plumb and the ceiling level...wouldn't the angle be 90 deg.?



Know of any good books or other references that explain all this? When i cut crown (rarely) i set it in the saw the way it goes on the ceiling and cut it at 45 deg.

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Looks upside down, but either way, don't forget to celebrate the cope with silicone...
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EB's right, just proportion wise it wants to go the other way.
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Not knowing how crown is supposed to be positioned could be a problem


That would have been funny to put up a ton of crown upside down
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This wouldn't have been the first time crown has been installed upside down. :-)
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This wouldn't have been the first time crown has been installed upside down. :-)
Nope nor the last, a condo that I do some work in had 3 floors 300 lf each of 8" crown installed upside down. Architect nearly had a stroke, none of the installers spoke English. They just nodded their heads when he asked then if they knew what they were doing.
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Not knowing how crown is supposed to be positioned could be a problem


That would have been funny to put up a ton of crown upside down
Seen it done many times before.

Had one customer wanted me to put crown upside down in all the rooms to match the one room that someone installed the crown upside down. She had no clue it was upside down, nor did the person that installed it obviously. I couldn't bring myself to do it, so I convinced her to rip it out and let me start over. I fixed it for free, but I charged her for materials and labor.

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