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Old 12-23-2013, 03:53 PM   #41
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:32 PM   #42
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When I started looking at doors I was skeptical at best thinking I could do it. The reason I say its better to do yourself is because then you are tooled to do it again. The first one I didn't make a whole bunch of money -- labor, no profit.

Quality control is the best part. You know your lumber suppliers, so you know what the quality is. You know the type of glue should be used so you supply the glue. You know the finish and therefore can touch up anything that might happen during install. No long transit and chances of some jack wagon who doesn't give a rats ass about the product delivering it. Not to mention a sales guy saying "you said three six eight oh, I thought you meant 36" wide" and now have a useless three oh door.

Maybe it's because I'm a control freak but I'd rather source everything and sub pieces of a door out like certain moldings/glass/etchings and such out of material that I acquire and then build myself.

It's not to say there aren't some fantastic companies out there who can build a door a hell of a lot more efficiently. Everyone does everything different but material is a small portion of a doors cost. I make good money on expensive doors in my area, you know your market so I can't tell you its a good business decision, all I'm saying is don't sell yourself short.

As far as laminating... I wouldn't do that.
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Thank you for your input,....


I do appreciate it...


Do you have a picture of one of the doors you made ....

If not, it's ok, I was just curious ...


Thank you,


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I'll be by there later this week or next, I'll take one then. I have one but I'm not sure where (I've broken 3 phones this year and only download the pictures when I update my windows phone).
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It's ok, don't worry about it,...

I am sure we will be talking more about this topic that's morphed into this subject ........"making vs outsourcing " later......


I am rather alarmed at what some of you are suggesting .....and it's nothing personal, I mean no disrespect ....


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It's ok, don't worry about it,...

I am sure we will be talking more about this topic that's morphed into this subject ........"making vs outsourcing " later......


I am rather alarmed at what some of you are suggesting .....and it's nothing personal, I mean no disrespect ....


Thanks Deck,


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Well you ended up getting me intrigued. Now I have to take one because I'll look like I'm a big fat liar. I go right by there when heading out to my sister's on Christmas and he's Jewish so I won't be disturbing him
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No seriously,....don't worry about it.....

We will be chatting,,,,,it's late,I'm spent ....and as a typical male...I have some Christmas shopping to do tomorrow.........



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Building a door that size from common stock is asking for warping. To do it right you need to go to veneered laminated styles and rails that will be more stable but still subject to warping, especially in a southern exposure.

I don't blame the poster for wanting a fiberglass door, the warranty risk alone warrants transferring that risk to another party because that profit could evaporate quickly if there is an issue.

I have probably built 60 or so entries in the past 20 years, so I speak from experience. When I worked in a large shop it was practical. Working with basic machines and combine that with the material cost, I would not do it today in my own small shop.
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I think you skipped over some reading.....

There is no fiberglass door in question , no veneers that will be used,....this will be a solid mahogany wood door.


Merry Christmas ,



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I think you skipped over some reading.....

There is no fiberglass door in question , no veneers that will be used,....this will be a solid mahogany wood door.


Merry Christmas ,



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I hope there is a sufficient overhang over this door.
The fine print in most wood door company warranties usually requires minimum 1/2 height overhang ratio to protect the door from sun and rain.

So, 7' high door needs 42" overhang.

I walked away from a $10,000 JeldWen door job this summer because the house was two stories with no overhang and JeldWen warranty would not cover it. I asked the customer to sign a release because of it and they refused, so I walked away.
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I have not dealt with them in the past five years, but had good luck with Madawaska Doors about 6-7 years ago. What I was doing was low end custom, but they claim that they can make any door, out of any wood. You send them a drawing, they'll quote you a price. Hope this helps.
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I think you skipped over some reading.....

There is no fiberglass door in question , no veneers that will be used,....this will be a solid mahogany wood door.


Merry Christmas ,



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I'm guessing the southern climate thing had to do with me then

As far as Jeld-win l, it ain't a custom door, no offense intended, its just they have some semi custom stuff but I personally have never seen a bunch of dental molds and arches in them.

Now I wish I would have taken that picture B. As we all know solid stock can be done if dried correctly and the right wood selected... Real south/central American Mahogany (not sapele or some other African or Asian knockoff) being one of the right ones.

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This is the entry door system going into a project we're building. The frame will be mahogany, including arched transoms. Jeld-Wen is building it to our dimensions. Entry is roofed so no worries about sun exposure, water drainage plane, etc. In the past we've done radiused top double doors with 3 hinges per panel. They'll build whatever you design. Can't get any easier.
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Solid wood doors for exterior use still need laminated and veneered
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When you're talking 5 figures for a door, it's not gonna be laminated and veneered. If it's made well to start, and properly maintained (usually where the failure happens) during its lifetime, then a solid wood door can last upwards of 20+ years. The problem is that a lot of people that spend the money for a door like this up front just want the prestigious entrance, but don't spend the paltry amount of money and time required to maintain a door like this after it's installed. Depending on weather conditions, and shelter, a solid wood door should be re-sealed every year to two years, but that never happens in this day and age, thus the boom of fiberglass and steel doors that have lifetime warranties and only need finishing every 5 years or more.
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Fugsly hit what I was talking about. Solid mahogany, but laminated stock for stability. A solid sawn door that size out of today's lumber is probably sure to warp.
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Well,
She was installed today........everything went very well!

I have some arch trim to install tomorrow ....


Plenty to talk about....

The most nerve racking part about this- honestly... (to me) was transporting......

I packed that door around some high padded movers blankets.....along with the frame and the EX trim......


The Pot holes here in buffalo this year are horrendous - to say the least.. .....

But,....


All went very well,,,


Pics tomorrow....if I get some time....

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