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Old 03-16-2014, 11:22 AM   #41
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If you realize that 95% of webguys are sh!theads who cant rank crap and 95% of contractors think they can do everything on their own you will realize how open the top 10 spots on google are.

Ranking contractor sites is pretty first rung seo.
If you say so... But I say B.S. I am in the Chicago burbs with tens of thousands of remodeling contractors. Are you telling me that ten to twenty don't have ranking down?
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:27 AM   #42
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A DIY site wont generate much work, not until you scour resources to learn what your doing wrong, figure about 300 hours of research and even then you will have:

horrible page titles , no interlinking, poor photo optimization, messed up use of H1,2,3's, a small site, poor color choices that squash your conversion percentage, author rank set up horrible or not at all, a lack of local optimization, poor flow, poor seo writing, poor content, slow loading site, hosting problems, no way to capture the visitor, no analytics, no keyword research, poorly set up social profiles, poorly set up citations and tons of grey hair.
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If you realize that 95% of webguys are sh!theads who cant rank crap and 95% of contractors think they can do everything on their own you will realize how open the top 10 spots on google are.

Ranking contractor sites is pretty first rung seo.
I thought ranking was seo...Search Engine Optimization. You want the results on the first page based on the serach criteria you desire.

Doesn't everything you first listed effect rank? How can you have it both ways? Either it takes 300 hours and mastering all of that crap you listed or it's first rung seo.

What in the world are you talking about?
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horrible page titles , no interlinking, poor photo optimization, messed up use of H1,2,3's, a small site, poor color choices that squash your conversion percentage, author rank set up horrible or not at all, a lack of local optimization, poor flow, poor seo writing, poor content, slow loading site, hosting problems, no way to capture the visitor, no analytics, no keyword research, poorly set up social profiles, poorly set up citations and tons of grey hair.
No offense, Jeff, but couldn't they also end up with a site that's not optimized for mobile? http://sisyphusmedia.com/mobile/phon...y.com/Masonry/
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I thought ranking was seo...Search Engine Optimization. You want the results on the first page based on the serach criteria you desire.

Doesn't everything you first listed effect rank? How can you have it both ways? Either it takes 300 hours and mastering all of that crap you listed or it's first rung seo.

What in the world are you talking about?
What im saying is on the first 10 organic results 5 of them are there because Google has no one else that is less horrible.

Hire someone who builds sites like Carl and the majority of the sites you would compete against would be eliminated through good site construction.
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No offense, Jeff, but couldn't they also end up with a site that's not optimized for mobile? http://sisyphusmedia.com/mobile/phon...y.com/Masonry/
I can use my site just fine on my phone, although this will be the year I get with the program.

It is easier to double conversions then it is to double traffic, so I am excited about the future.

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What im saying is on the first 10 organic results 5 of them are there because Google has no one else that is less horrible.

Hire someone who builds sites like Carl and the majority of the sites you would compete against would be eliminated through good site construction.
So you are saying that not that many remodeling contractors in the greater Chicagoans area are utilizing seo? That out of thousands only 5 are doing it right?
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I looked at chicago remodeling contractor and unless the results are different for a local IP the first page results are not to bad.

There is Houzz @ #2, yelp, thumbtack, angieslist, this site is on the first page http://www.ambrosebuilders.com/ and has a whopping 1 backlink.

The number 1 spot is dominated by an awesome site, he isnt going anywhere. But if I were a remodeler living in Chicago I would be ranking 2 of my pages plus a blog post and yelp profile on that search result.

Look at this site, http://www.dynastyinnovations.com/, 25 backlinks but the site is larger and has good on page. His site is ugly but he is ranking so what.

A well optimized 100 page website would creep up on the first page naturally. Add some decent seo and bam 2-4 months and you will be @ #4.

but what do I know...
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I just made it. Posted it on here for comments. Todd (TechDawg) have me some tips. Since WIX made it easy to adjust and add the seo suggestions Todd made, I actually started receiving leads from it within the first month.

The ops first issue is aesthetics and flow. If he takes or advice he's half way home. He then needs to go into the seo tools abd fill it the form. It's pretty easy. They also have a Google analytics tool that helps you fix problems.

What I am saying is you don't have to fall into the trap that you have to pay thousands to get results. How many professional sites have we all seen that were horrible?

And they may not be 7k a week results, but like I keep saying a website serves many purposes abd each of us needs to determine what we want our of it. For me it's mostly legitimacy and professionalism. I'll take any leads I get, but it's not the main purpose.
Glad you got some biz from it
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There are pros who build sites like this too, lol. Internet Marketing has such an easy entry point but a very steep learning curve. There is this weird self designation system among web pros that I don't understand. Everybody is an immediate expert once they can install wordpress, lol.
You mean there's no college courses for this...
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Here's a interesting conversation that argues wordpress vs. html. Although I can completely understand why 'involved' contractors (hi, techdawg) would find it much easier and therefore much more enticing to use wordpress, - - and also why a lot of designers can make better/faster money pushing those same wordpress sites, - - my personal observation has been the same as this guy's

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"I looked at all of his competitors sites, I looked at his site, back and forth over and over. His site was a basic Word Press site, his competitors... HTML5 CSS3 every single one of them in the top 20 of any search term I could think of."

snip . . .

"ok so back to my point I can show you case studies after case study, including my own personal A/B testing, that will show you that HTML vs. Word Press is a no brainer in the world of SEO. HTML wins every time hands down. It boils down to the structure and how they are designed. You can give word Press the SEO plug-in, but it places the most basic elements ( Title tag, Keyword tag, description tag ) 30 - 60 lines below where they would be on an html site. And that is IF you are using a SEO plug-in, you are straight up out of luck if you are not."


Best of course, to read the whole conversation, but his particular posts are, I believe, #'s 7, 17, and 19, - - and they pretty much 'quash' the argument, IMO.

Most of the others (to their own convenience) disagree with him, - - but he seems to have the facts on his side, - - again, IMO.

If any of you's get the chance, - - it's a good read either way, and not even that long, - - just click right HERE

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To get the best of both worlds, - - the obvious choice to me would an html site, with a wordpress blog in a subfolder . . .
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To get the best of both worlds, - - the obvious choice to me would an html site, with a wordpress blog in a subfolder . . .
Hammer or nailgun? They both do, effectively, the same job. The difference is in the way you intend to use them. If you need to pound in three nails, the process of setting up the nailer would take you longer than the task at hand. And vise versa.

HTML is a language and WP is a platform that outputs HTML. Both are tools available to you. Which one you leave in the truck depends on what you intend to do with them.

If you want a static site that loads fast, ranks well and holds its position, HTML is the way to go.

If you intend to make regular updates (aka content marketing), WP is your pal. Research suggests that a WP site that is NOT updated will fall in the SERPs. But one that IS will continue to rank well.

That said, Google has made it crystal clear that they put a significant emphasis on regularly updated, quality content.

For my money, content trumps meta-tricks every day of the week. Therefore, WP trumps HTML.
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Additionally, the OP over at Warrior Forum posted his study results:

Weight Loss #1 html
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Those are affiliate marketing keywords. He's trying to rank globally, in a game where a tiny bump in SERPs can mean thousands of dollars a day in revenues. These guys sit at their computers all day, driving traffic to their offers and gaming the Google algorithm.

Local marketing is an entirely different ball-o-wax and his research has little value to contractors, IMHO.
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Different WP themes will organize the code more "seo optimal" ways. Dont know if those claims mean anything, but the more respected themes seem to follow this ideal. Supposedly organizing the code to be read by google bot first or before other elements, which would make sense to have the crap above the fold read first, afteral thats why its up top, derp...
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I am by no means an expert, but you asked for opinions, so here is mine.

Its not bad overall, but could use some polishing. I will echo some of the replies here.

1) Have someone else look over the wording/phrasing to make sure it is optimal. It is important to convey a message without sounding too forced or wordy.

2) Organize important things near the top. Navigation menu, possibly a static picture of something you are really proud of and eye grabbing with a logo overlapping a corner. Then a slide show below.

3) Graphics that follow you while you scroll down are annoying. Not sure what the live chat thing is, if its a direct line to you or a service you are subscribing to, but it looks kinda off.
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Different WP themes will organize the code more "seo optimal" ways. Dont know if those claims mean anything, but the more respected themes seem to follow this ideal. Supposedly organizing the code to be read by google bot first or before other elements, which would make sense to have the crap above the fold read first, afteral thats why its up top, derp...
It's why Wordpress frameworks like Genesis are so popular. Small business owners should have a CMS capable of growing and changing with their business, if they can hand code a site good on them but don't expect that to be the difference between 1st page and no-where to be found. Wordpress in it's most basic form does suck for SEO, but then many developers don't even know frameworks exist, or choose not to use them. HuggyTree's website is a perfect example of this.
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I find sites that have very little content, very few key words, and a very basic site meaning just a few pages, ranking pretty high. I've looked at the code behind the page and it seems very simple and they look to be regular HTML sites.

So I guess Google wants to give an advantage to the simple folks over those with the $$ to build a huge content rich site?
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I find sites that have very little content, very few key words, and a very basic site meaning just a few pages, ranking pretty high. I've looked at the code behind the page and it seems very simple and they look to be regular HTML sites.
Those sites likely have a very strong backlink and citation profile that is contributing to their rank. Good "on-page" SEO is only the start and can get you ranked in markets where there is not a lot of competition.

Content + Backlinks + Content + Backlinks + Content + Backlinks

For contractors it doesn't take very many backlinks to see first page ranking HTML or WP it doesn't matter. But where are you going to get them from? Acquiring good quality backlinks is getting tougher.

I'm not basing this on personal opinion it's based on experience ranking dozens and dozens of contractor websites in markets all around North America. If I thought HTML sites would give our contractors the "edge" we'd be doing it already.

Instead we switched from HTML sites to Wordpress 6 years ago.

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Do a search for Nevada home builder. Thats a tough market and your not going to hop on the front page of that search result any time soon, and not for under 25k. You wont find some herp derp 5 page site with bad page titles either.
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As a quick experiment, - - I googled 'Nevada home builder', - - and checked every site in the left-hand column, including the ads at the top.

There were a total of 13 sites in that column, - - only ONE was wordpress, - - all the rest were html.

The wordpress one was about 10th in line . . .

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