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Old 03-15-2014, 08:57 PM   #21
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My first impression:

1. No logo
2. Page names should be optimized (for better ranking)
3. Copy uses industry jargon (i.e. -coatings)- talk like normal people
4. not a fan of black background
5. the message boxes sort of make the site segmented
6. no gallery of completed jobs; I'd expect that for a painters website.
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the information is all over the place...it doesn't look like something a homeowner can figure out quickly....

also you don't have a nice logo/name at the top...its just something you typed in....makes you look like you did your own website

my 1st website cost me $500....never got me 1 job
2nd one was $1,500....got me $7-10k a year
new one was $5,500...gets me daily calls...$7k A MONTH

I wish I would have spent what it took from day 1....instead I threw away $500 and then $1,500........my new website still has its issues, but it paid for itself in 2 weeks

get a professional website...pay whatever it takes...go into debt....it will pay you back 10-20x!!!!!!!!!!!!!

going cheap and doing it yourself = $0 in return....
Mine or his?
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going cheap and doing it yourself = $0 in return....
That's not entirely accurate. I did my own and get several leads from it every week.
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I don't usually agree with these guys as they always have one intention and that is to sell themselves, but I agree with this pretty much 100%.
Thanks, TNT. There's no doubt that we've had our share of disagreements but I hope you got past the perception that I need to sell myself. I actually comment very rarely on these kinds of threads because I don't want to appear too harsh but if I can help I'm glad to do so. This is the type of thread where I am least likely to sell my services but if I can at least enlighten someone to stay away from the likes of Wix and point them in a better direction I consider that an accomplishment.

In the same way you don't normally agree with us Service Providers, I cannot normally accept new clients without placing them on a waiting list (right now is at least 30 days out). I can't speak for everyone here obviously, but those who have been here for years and understand the contractor market are well beyond the need to simply sell themselves.

We actually agree more than we disagree. I offer regular free help as much as I can without coming off as too harsh. As for selling my services in this type of thread, it hasn't happened yet and I don't expect that to change. If I can help members here take a better direction with their DIY site designs, that's as much as I can really hope to accomplish.
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Rob,
Your site is looking alot better from the start. Now stop getting into arguments here and update your blog
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Your site is looking alot better from the start. Now stop getting into arguments here and update your blog
Don't tell Steve it's a WIX site.
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You'd have so many more options if you eventually switched that to wordpress with a free theme
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You'd have so many more options if you eventually switched that to wordpress with a free theme
I purchased a webpress site, didn't like it. The learning curve was huge, it was hard to get support and the constant maintainence on updates and plugins was not appealing.

Like I have said before, in order to determine what kind of website you need you need to determine what you want from that site. I wanted a few things:

1) Legitimacy
2) Introduction to who I am and what I do
3) A way to contact me
4) A place to show off what we can do and have done
5) Easy to maintain: Something I could update myself (uploading projects and updating information)
6) Easy to setup

WIX does that all.

Maybe some day when I want to step out I will buy the latest and greatest flavor they are serving. Wordpress will most likely be the way of Flash or HTML.
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I don't think there's much you can do to incorporate SEO into a template website. I can refer you to an SEO coach if you have the diligence and technical know how to follow through with it, which most of us builders don't. Or you can find a pro who already knows how to build an SEO site to start over from scratch, about 90% of web developers don't have a clue how to do it.
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Wordpress will most likely be the way of Flash or HTML.
That may well be. Everything comes and goes.

But WP powers 65 million websites (including 32 of the world's 100 most popular).

Don't stick a fork in it just yet.
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That's not entirely accurate. I did my own and get several leads from it every week.
maybe your just THAT DAMN GOOD

his website is not very good

It reminds me of my 1st one for $500

time will tell..if he gets no calls from it, well there's your proof

if I had it to do all over again id have put $5,500 into my website from day 1....it would have doubled my sales back then......hoping others will learn from my mistakes....but it appears not

cheap typically gets you junk

if you want to stay cheap I recommend playing with it monthly until it starts getting you calls....if customers cant find you that's another issue you need to fix....when I redid my website in Jan I got calls instantly..it was like someone flipped a switch...I went from 1 job a month to 2-3 jobs a week
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It's all relative. My newest site was my second cheapest, quite a bit less than Huggys (although it shouldn't be) and has already brought I over 40k sales this month. Pretty good since it's still freezing here and snowing.

In other words, I'd expect a lot more sales than 7k if I spent $5500 on a site.
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That may well be. Everything comes and goes.

But WP powers 65 million websites (including 32 of the world's 100 most popular).

Don't stick a fork in it just yet.
I wasn't. Just saying that by the time I get around to updating it'll be gone. Flash used to dominate those same most popular sites.
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maybe your just THAT DAMN GOOD

his website is not very good

It reminds me of my 1st one for $500

time will tell..if he gets no calls from it, well there's your proof

if I had it to do all over again id have put $5,500 into my website from day 1....it would have doubled my sales back then......hoping others will learn from my mistakes....but it appears not

cheap typically gets you junk

if you want to stay cheap I recommend playing with it monthly until it starts getting you calls....if customers cant find you that's another issue you need to fix....when I redid my website in Jan I got calls instantly..it was like someone flipped a switch...I went from 1 job a month to 2-3 jobs a week
I just made it. Posted it on here for comments. Todd (TechDawg) have me some tips. Since WIX made it easy to adjust and add the seo suggestions Todd made, I actually started receiving leads from it within the first month.

The ops first issue is aesthetics and flow. If he takes or advice he's half way home. He then needs to go into the seo tools abd fill it the form. It's pretty easy. They also have a Google analytics tool that helps you fix problems.

What I am saying is you don't have to fall into the trap that you have to pay thousands to get results. How many professional sites have we all seen that were horrible?

And they may not be 7k a week results, but like I keep saying a website serves many purposes abd each of us needs to determine what we want our of it. For me it's mostly legitimacy and professionalism. I'll take any leads I get, but it's not the main purpose.
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A DIY site wont generate much work, not until you scour resources to learn what your doing wrong, figure about 300 hours of research and even then you will have:

horrible page titles , no interlinking, poor photo optimization, messed up use of H1,2,3's, a small site, poor color choices that squash your conversion percentage, author rank set up horrible or not at all, a lack of local optimization, poor flow, poor seo writing, poor content, slow loading site, hosting problems, no way to capture the visitor, no analytics, no keyword research, poorly set up social profiles, poorly set up citations and tons of grey hair.
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horrible page titles , no interlinking, poor photo optimization, messed up use of H1,2,3's, a small site, poor color choices that squash your conversion percentage, author rank set up horrible or not at all, a lack of local optimization, poor flow, poor seo writing, poor content, slow loading site, hosting problems, no way to capture the visitor, no analytics, no keyword research, poorly set up social profiles, poorly set up citations and tons of grey hair.
There are pros who build sites like this too, lol. Internet Marketing has such an easy entry point but a very steep learning curve. There is this weird self designation system among web pros that I don't understand. Everybody is an immediate expert once they can install wordpress, lol.
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A DIY site wont generate much work, not until you scour resources to learn what your doing wrong, figure about 300 hours of research and even then you will have:

horrible page titles , no interlinking, poor photo optimization, messed up use of H1,2,3's, a small site, poor color choices that squash your conversion percentage, author rank set up horrible or not at all, a lack of local optimization, poor flow, poor seo writing, poor content, slow loading site, hosting problems, no way to capture the visitor, no analytics, no keyword research, poorly set up social profiles, poorly set up citations and tons of grey hair.
WIX provides quite a bit if you know some basics. But again, there are a lot of guys that don't use a site for lead generation, but more legitimacy and web presence. People like to see that you have a site. My traffic is pretty decent, but it's mostly from Yelp, Google Places and WOM that drive the traffic.

The biggest problem that I have is all of those things you list are things that everyone is trying to master and only 10 or so will get page one results. Then what? You are always throwing money at trying to be number one and on top of the latest craze. Used to be that you could have a few well placed meta tags and keywords and you were good to go. Exploits will always change the map and playing field.

I just need a place that looks decent, has my information on it and tells what we can do as well as shows what we can do.
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cheap typically gets you junk

...when I redid my website in Jan I got calls instantly..it was like someone flipped a switch...I went from 1 job a month to 2-3 jobs a week

With all due respect, I'm not so sure that spending $5k from day one would have brought you the 2-3 calls a week you're seeing now. Domain age is a powerful ranking factor in the Big G algorithm, and you have that in spades.

I took a little walk back in time and looked at all three versions of your site. The site you have now contains, for the most part, the same information as your first site from way back in 2007. It's better written and organized now, and that goes a loooonnggg way toward making your phone ring.

There's no doubt that your current site blows the other two out of the water. It's clean, uncluttered and hits the major needs in a small biz site. It plainly states your location and USP, has a clear call to action and builds the "Know, Like, Trust" factor immediately.

(Frankly, the animated images make me woozy. That's a design choice that some appreciate. I don't. But that's my only criticism.)

All that on-page effort pays off once you've gotten a visitor to the site.

But I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the reason you saw a huge bump in calls was because your developer installed the All in One SEO Pack plugin and optimized it to get you found.

Due to the fact that you'd already been indexed for five years or more, a little bump in SEO had a gargantuan impact in the SERPs.

You got a big return for your investment and you made a wise purchase. But that plugin is free, Wordpress is free, and the learning curve (while significant) is also free. In short, had you been so inclined, you could have done all that yourself.

Earlier in this thread, it was suggested that contractors should leave the site stuff to qualified pros. I disagree. But then I twist my own wrenches, sew my own stitches, and have never in my life called a plumber, painter or carpenter (unless it was to go grab a beer).

I'm not saying that's right for everyone. But I think that a small shop should have its finger on the pulse of its own marketing.

It's far from rocket science.

I'm guessing that most of us here know what goes on under the hoods of our cars and trucks, even if we no longer care to work on them in the driveway. And that process of learning how motors and drivetrains work has helped us throughout our lives. But there are some who know nothing more than, "this pedal makes it go, this one makes it stop". Those people are at the mercy of the "experts".

I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack for this post but the point I'm trying to make is that cheap doesn't always get you junk. Sometimes it gets you an intimate understanding of your own business. And I think there's a huge value in that.
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WIX provides quite a bit if you know some basics. But again, there are a lot of guys that don't use a site for lead generation, but more legitimacy and web presence. People like to see that you have a site. My traffic is pretty decent, but it's mostly from Yelp, Google Places and WOM that drive the traffic.

The biggest problem that I have is all of those things you list are things that everyone is trying to master and only 10 or so will get page one results. Then what? You are always throwing money at trying to be number one and on top of the latest craze. Used to be that you could have a few well placed meta tags and keywords and you were good to go. Exploits will always change the map and playing field.

I just need a place that looks decent, has my information on it and tells what we can do as well as shows what we can do.
If you realize that 95% of webguys are sh!theads who cant rank crap and 95% of contractors think they can do everything on their own you will realize how open the top 10 spots on google are.

Ranking contractor sites is pretty first rung seo.
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I just need a place that looks decent, has my information on it and tells what we can do as well as shows what we can do.

Same here, - - I'm making a more modern (and of course, responsive) version of my site now, - - mainly because, as you've already mentioned, - - flash has all but gotten the royal boot, - - but I really only use it for legitimacy and more ideas for existing customers.

In fact, - - on the one I'm making now, - - I kind of even discourage new customers, - - politely, of course . . . LOL!!

Many will say "content is king", - - no, sorry, - - "workmanship is king"!!

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