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Old 07-27-2019, 12:40 AM   #21
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I know why you're having trouble, there's no open ground left to dig up in that area! Lol

Year #2 was a rough year for me, I had so much work lined up when I started my company,I didn't have to worry. 6 months later I had finished ask those projects and realized I didn't have anything lined up. I squeaked through last year, tax time gave we a wake up kick in the @ss. I started making calls to clients who had discussed some "future projects", reached out to guys I used to work with to let them know I had my own thing going, getting more face time with my suppliers. I've been booked solid since May, set through to October, and trying to get the rest of the year filled right now. My only advertising is my Facebook page that I kind of keep up with.

Check with Trap Rock or Gibraltar about hiring out your dump trucks. A little late in the season, but see if any pool companies need help digging out for in ground pools. There was mention of trenching, none of the plumbers or electricians I know want to do that, so that's a good call.

Are you set up to plow in the winter? We haven't been getting frequent storms, but they've been big when they hit

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have a good website, tried google adwords lost about 3k with no luck.
"Good website" and blowing $3k in Adwords doesn't really add up. Your site is either not as good as you think it is or there were some serious errors in setting up the campaign. Having worked with a few hundred contractors over the last decade I'm going to say both.

If you want a professional opinion on the website I'd be happy to give it a once-over and provide you with some recommendations if it's indeed a problem, this isn't a magic bullet though. Your website is but a piece of a much larger puzzle.

On a side note, tools like website grader or other automated website grading software aren't going to tell you what you need to know. They are novelty items. No offense to the poster who suggested it.

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I moved. That was it. The area where I started my business had a lot of work, but it was all cheap work for hacks, craigs listers and construction workers posing as contractors.

Although there weren't a lot of Asians and East Indians, it was full of college professors and government workers would all felt that trade labor was cheap labor.

Where I am now, the number of Asians (ie: mainland Chinese) and east Indians has grown to the point that they are the new majority. Thanks to H1B Visas and open borders for them and all their relations. Not to mention the open borders policy and sanctuary cites for all the illegals who are happy to work cheap.

I survived and grew thanks to taking advantage of relationships, and, working those relationships. We do a "butt load" of sub-contracting, plus relationships with out of state contractors and property management firms.

You could move, but I bet that the same problems will follow you. I would work on those relationships with GCs and others that use your expertise. Unfortunately, it takes time and it sounds like time is not your friend right now. Still work on getting your name out, face to face.
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I read this, this morning. I've thought about it.

Sometimes the area and low wages are the reason. Sometimes it is the person. Not you personally, but they way you approach business.

This is what I am thinking. You, personally, take a survey of your area. Drive around, looking at all of the excavating and trucking jobs that have been happening. How many are there? What type of jobs are they? Is it something you would have bid? HOw many General contractors have you contacted, in person?

I understand the situation. The town I grew up in, is a tough business world. I would love to go back. I will someday, when I retire. But, I can't make a living there. When a person gets $25 per hour and in your hometown they get $10.75 per hour, for the same job, it's frustrating. They go through people like crazy. But, there is always anther person ready to sign up for $10.75 , as soon as one figures out he is losing money.

The market for illegal operations, I feel, is at an all time high, in some areas.

On a brighter note, I have been sick for the last 2 years. Missed alot of work. Now I am back at nearly full speed. I've gotten several jobs in the last couple months, where they hired my crap competition to do the work. Now they are hiring me to go back and re-do the work.

Stick with it. Try to hire out your trucks. Talk to every contractor, carpenter, plumber, electrician, etc, that you can find. Get your name and number to them. In person is the best advertising.
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No disrespect, but message carlsore you would love to hear what he has to say...
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If you are in the somerset area as you said, there are a lot of Indian people. Central NJ has tons of them. Its ridiculous. I hate to say this but they ruined the area. I now live in PA but go back from time to time, its a real shame what happened to that state.
However, there is money in that area. What kind of excavating do you specialize in?

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Native Americans or the Asian Sub Continent Variety?

Worked for a High Caste Indian couple as an moonlighting 2cd year apprentice Mason, My First walk through 2 story archway... 51 Windows, A mini Manse ahead of its time, early 90s, Found out the real money was the wife's family/dowry...Literal Gold shipments via airline flight back and forth to homeland.

A year later I counted ~18 separate individuals who appeared to live the 4500 sq. Ft. home, as I bricked the next Mini-Manse with Turrets and radius walls for the 3rd year apprentice, oval window wraps...( Thank you mr. Architect.)

I didn't deal with the Owners, but all builders were treated as lower Caste peoples...
Well treated, but not treated as equals.....

My experience with 1 and 2cd generation Indians and Chinese has not been favorable, less then 20% of my customers from that demographic acting at an average level of acceptable business behavior here in the late 20th Century America culture. IMHO.
Presently I wouldn't work for any Chinese that had emigrated from PRChina, Indians would need a couple of Native(Any race, any person, born in USA) references in regard to timely payments,and scope creeping.

As a Nation we are at a fork in our culture's Path, Return to "rule of Law" and deport the 20-30 Million illegal Aliens while closing the leaks in our borders, or continue as a failing Nation with no effective border controls. (NO BORDER = NO NATION)
Open borders can only end with the USA ever weaker as wages race downward for the working majority of citizens pay checks fail to grow in the labor market FLOODED by the fraction of the world's 6.5 Billion that still don't make as much as a criminal alien worker inside the porous Borders...

The constant turmoil used by generations of political scum to get elected and milk the dying nation for power, favors and looted $.
See the end of Rome, Great Britain, still might emerge from near end game circling the stool of History.

When America is a &*() hole, where will WE be allowed to sneak in?

If you want to help poor people, first help your neighboring Americans, then strangers in other lands.
Charity begins at home, and does NOT involve giving away your fellow Americans good paying jobs to desperate aliens ever.
No actual charity or good works can occur using stolen jobs or funds.

Rob-In-Hood is a silly redistributionist Myth that has perverted common thought for 100s of years, Sherwood Forest is Still an Economic Wasteland thanks to the RH effects on local banking and investment.....
Very similar to Marxism or any variety of Socialism = theft from minorities doesn't create a stable growing economy ever, anywhere, Anytime.
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exactly man these Asians are terrible. And Indians too. They are probably 60% of the central jersey population no lie. Just sucks I was born here if I move I have to start all over. But hey better now than later I'm 29 so I got a few more years until I'm old right?
I'm really surprised about the ethnic statements. Especially, the Asians. Or, perhaps, you should clarify which specific Asian group you are talking about because the Japanese are the best customers in the world. We do a lot of business with Vietnamese people and because their accent is so different I seriously think we feel that they are cheap, but they never give us problems. Filippinos are Asian and they always ask for a little discount, but they pay like a bank and who doesn't like a little discount. We do a lot of work for Koreans. They seem to prefer to do business with their own people. Nothing wrong with that, but we still do a lot of work for them and they are not difficult to work with.

And for the Indians? They are usually the most-educated people we work for and a very high percent are doctors. At least, they are not white scumbag lawyers. I do work for Indian people almost every day and they pay like a bank, also. A year ago, I did a $36,000 plumbing job for a single Indian woman. About 4 weeks ago she called me to remodel a bathroom. I started the job and after 2 days the tenant would not let us in his apartment. So, this Indian woman wrote me a check for $12,000 and told me to postpone the job until she had her attorney evict the tenant. No white person ever wrote me a check for $12,000 for 2 days of work!

Incidentally, I am Italian-American, or American-Italian, or whatever, but my people are super tight and very difficult to work with. We squeeze the poop out of a buffalo nickel before we spend it. You do not want to do business with my father. He is so bad about demanding discounts and concessions that he seriously embarrasses me and I have to apologize to salespeople for the way he works them over.

We humans tend to not like what we are ignorant about and do not understand. Indian (Pakistan) people are the nicest people in the world. They remind me of the way we Italian people treat everyone where we welcome people into our homes. But, my guess is that many people don't like Indian people because their accent is different, their skin is darker and that bothers us. We are willing to work for them and take their money, but it irritate us because we are working on their 5,000 sq ft mansions. That makes us hate them even more because who do these people who speak broken English think they are coming to our country buying these properties when it should be 'me' who owns this house.

Man!!! I wish I had the money other people lose because they can't see their hand in front of their face. Well...got to go. Be back in a few months. Just thought I'd let you know I didn't drop dead, yet!!! And...I will never change. Still making $millions. Still running my Los Angeles Company. Got tired of trying to help contractors and got heavy into mentoring real estate investors FOR FREE as usual.
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exactly man these Asians are terrible. And Indians too. They are probably 60% of the central jersey population no lie. Just sucks I was born here if I move I have to start all over. But hey better now than later I'm 29 so I got a few more years until I'm old right?
I'm really surprised about the ethnic statements. Especially, the Asians. Or, perhaps, you should clarify which specific Asian group you are talking about because the Japanese are the best customers in the world. We do a lot of business with Vietnamese people and because their accent is so different I seriously think we feel that they are cheap, but they never give us problems. Filippinos are Asian and they always ask for a little discount, but they pay like a bank and who doesn't like a little discount. We do a lot of work for Koreans. They seem to prefer to do business with their own people. Nothing wrong with that, but we still do a lot of work for them and they are not difficult to work with.

And for the Indians? They are usually the most-educated people we work for and a very high percent are doctors. At least, they are not white scumbag lawyers. I do work for Indian people almost every day and they pay like a bank, also. A year ago, I did a $36,000 plumbing job for a single Indian woman. About 4 weeks ago she called me to remodel a bathroom. I started the job and after 2 days the tenant would not let us in his apartment. So, this Indian woman wrote me a check for $12,000 and told me to postpone the job until she had her attorney evict the tenant. No white person ever wrote me a check for $12,000 for 2 days of work!

Incidentally, I am Italian-American, or American-Italian, or whatever, but my people are super tight and very difficult to work with. We squeeze the poop out of a buffalo nickel before we spend it. You do not want to do business with my father. He is so bad about demanding discounts and concessions that he seriously embarrasses me and I have to apologize to salespeople for the way he works them over.

We humans tend to not like what we are ignorant about and do not understand. Indian (Pakistan) people are the nicest people in the world. They remind me of the way we Italian people treat everyone where we welcome people into our homes. But, my guess is that many people don't like Indian people because their accent is different, their skin is darker and that bothers us. We are willing to work for them and take their money, but it irritate us because we are working on their 5,000 sq ft mansions. That makes us hate them even more because who do these people who speak broken English think they are coming to our country buying these properties when it should be 'me' who owns this house.

Man!!! I wish I had the money other people lose because they can't see their hand in front of their face. Well...got to go. Be back in a few months. Just thought I'd let you know I didn't drop dead, yet!!! And...I will never change. Still making $millions. Still running my Los Angeles Company. Got tired of trying to help contractors and got heavy into mentoring real estate investors FOR FREE as usual.
No offense but good for you. I'm glad they actually pay but they are not like that here at all. I talked to about 4 of them this week and they all wanted grading done for like $200. I can even start my truck for that. It's absolutely ridiculous living here with these cheap people. So I'm packing everything up since last night planning on moving in 2 or 3 weeks. Hopefully can start a better life somewhere with a better economy and better people. Wish me luck
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Native Americans or the Asian Sub Continent Variety?.
Down my way, some people express that as inquiring if they are Casino or Call Center variety?
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No offense but good for you. I'm glad they actually pay but they are not like that here at all. I talked to about 4 of them this week and they all wanted grading done for like $200. I can even start my truck for that. It's absolutely ridiculous living here with these cheap people. So I'm packing everything up since last night planning on moving in 2 or 3 weeks. Hopefully can start a better life somewhere with a better economy and better people. Wish me luck
If you are in Jersey, go to the NJ License verification look up Electrical Contractors in your town. Google there name for a number, since the info doesn't have the number or fax number or email like a few years back. Do the same for Plumbers. Look for the small potato, mom and pop people who balk at a website or yellow page ad. Find them and you will find some gold. Do the same wherever you are moving to.

I suggest you do more research then a month from now uprooting yourself. Find an area that is booming, take a job and build your business on the weekend. Worst case go work for the state or municipality.

Even NJ transit is dumping money with the new Gov.

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Raleigh area is booming...Houses going up all over the place. A lot of commercial development as well.
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No offense but good for you. I'm glad they actually pay but they are not like that here at all. I talked to about 4 of them this week and they all wanted grading done for like $200. I can even start my truck for that. It's absolutely ridiculous living here with these cheap people. So I'm packing everything up since last night planning on moving in 2 or 3 weeks. Hopefully can start a better life somewhere with a better economy and better people. Wish me luck
If you are in Jersey, go to the NJ License verification look up Electrical Contractors in your town. Google there name for a number, since the info doesn't have the number or fax number or email like a few years back. Do the same for Plumbers. Look for the small potato, mom and pop people who balk at a website or yellow page ad. Find them and you will find some gold. Do the same wherever you are moving to.

I suggest you do more research then a month from now uprooting yourself. Find an area that is booming, take a job and build your business on the weekend. Worst case go work for the state or municipality.

Even NJ transit is dumping money with the new Gov.

Best of luck.
thanks. I will try that. I'm going to pa past Allentown that whole area is booming like crazy used to work out there for a couple years. And like the other person said Raleigh would be my backup tons of work there. Problem here is it's so built up already there honestly not a lot of building going on anymore these days. Got to keep looking ahead in the future can't look back
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No offense but good for you. I'm glad they actually pay but they are not like that here at all. I talked to about 4 of them this week and they all wanted grading done for like $200. I can even start my truck for that. It's absolutely ridiculous living here with these cheap people. So I'm packing everything up since last night planning on moving in 2 or 3 weeks. Hopefully can start a better life somewhere with a better economy and better people. Wish me luck
I stopped returning their calls. One of them one time said ok now we negotiate. This was on a like 1500 repair. She said 1200 I said 1800. She literally said that's now it works. I said 2k.

Call me you have my quote, 2k. Walked away lol.
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I stopped returning their calls. One of them one time said ok now we negotiate. This was on a like 1500 repair. She said 1200 I said 1800. She literally said that's now it works. I said 2k.

Call me you have my quote, 2k. Walked away lol.
I've have people want my best price. I say, for instance, $2k. They're shocked. "Is that the best you can do??"

I reply, "Yes. 2000 is my best price. 1500 is good and 1750 is better, but 2000 is best."
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I reply, "Yes. 2000 is my best price. 1500 is good and 1750 is better, but 2000 is best."
That's awesome, I'll remember that!
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No offense but good for you. I'm glad they actually pay but they are not like that here at all. I talked to about 4 of them this week and they all wanted grading done for like $200. I can even start my truck for that. It's absolutely ridiculous living here with these cheap people. So I'm packing everything up since last night planning on moving in 2 or 3 weeks. Hopefully can start a better life somewhere with a better economy and better people. Wish me luck
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Just go to that certain demographic's places of business and embrace the rich diversity of America by haggling and negotiating with them for the price of a gallon gas or smokes.

If you get the cops up your butt, about that, I am sure finding a jury to find you guilty either criminal or civilly would be a Powerball odds event. I know I would be sure to Jury Nullify that if I got picked.
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Immigrants aren't the issue. You all are overlooking the fact that it's our own countrymen demanding cheap labor with no benefits, dangerous conditions and long hours, and willing to sell their fellow Americans whatever bull**** level of quality they can get away with. It's a deal only a desperate person would accept...desperate like fleeing a coup in Honduras that our CIA orchestrated, the civil war in El Salvador the Regan administration funded, or a drug war in Juarez fought over the right to sell us Americans all the drugs we love so much. And these monsters in our industry, our own fellow Americans, are reaping the rewards--not by telling companies to hire illegal immigrants, but by demanding pricing only illegal immigrant labor can make possible and leaving it to us to connect the dots.

I'd be happy to elaborate, but I'm going to start jogging now while y'all grab your pitchforks.
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Immigrants aren't the issue. You all are overlooking the fact that it's our own countrymen demanding cheap labor with no benefits, dangerous conditions and long hours, and willing to sell their fellow Americans whatever bull**** level of quality they can get away with. It's a deal only a desperate person would accept...desperate like fleeing a coup in Honduras that our CIA orchestrated, the civil war in El Salvador the Regan administration funded, or a drug war in Juarez fought over the right to sell us Americans all the drugs we love so much. And these monsters in our industry, our own fellow Americans, are reaping the rewards--not by telling companies to hire illegal immigrants, but by demanding pricing only illegal immigrant labor can make possible and leaving it to us to connect the dots.

I'd be happy to elaborate, but I'm going to start jogging now while y'all grab your pitchforks.
oh boy

Are you familiar with the area he is talking about? Most of the people he is talking about are college educated and working for the IT, Rutgers, medical field or big pharmaceutical companies in NJ. In their culture they bargain for everything and I mean everything, people who work with their hands are below them and they feel that they dont need to make money off of them.

I have an Indian customer who explained it all to me, he has been in the US for 60 years, I have been working for him for the last 12 years. He has a good friend from India that has been here 10 years who wants me to work for him but my customer will not give him my phone number because he knows he is going to be a PIA

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