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Old 06-10-2019, 10:00 PM   #1
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Ok call me crazy but I had a thought. I have a 13’ vaulted ceiling with 9’ walls then I have a 9’ceiling over my kitchen. Here is what I’m wanting to do. I really don’t want to have my stairs coming down in my living space. Is there anyway to stud my loft wall in and in the center have framed stairs that will lay down and then close flush? Drywall each side then clapboard the back of the stairs so it just looks like an accent wall. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Not and comply with firecode if you're using it as living space.
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Not and comply with firecode if you're using it as living space.
no just storage. Won’t be finished in
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Not concerned with fire codes and what not. Issue I’m having is how to get them to fold down with out it binding or sticking at the bottom of my 2x6s and will a pulley system even lift them at the angle they will lay. 12’ long which puts me out about 2 1/2 to 3’ at the floor from where they will be attached at the top
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Can’t find a hinge system for the kind of weight involved
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Four one inch or 1.25" semi hemi bearings in cast iron arbors bolted to flat irons drill for structural screw, run a steel shaft through the four bearings..... Available at local Farm stores and better Hdw stores.

Use Garage door springs for counter balance and push button raising an lowering, Hang spring And winch pipe from reinforced rafters.

You could even install the safety laser across where the lower stair lands for accident reduction.

See access stairs to side ports/deck in large ships.

70 degree ship's ladder with stutter steps, three stringers, treads go 1/2 the way across.

Spiral stairs
Or Fire pole?
A ~1000 lb electric/hydraulic forklift mast with a man platform, ~30" x 48-60" home rolled "elevator"

ALWAYS plan from the stairs out when building any multistory building, silly man.
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Lol. I did. I have more than enough room for them. I just wanted something different. Unique. And I must say a section of wall that folds out to stairs is pretty unique. Even still with your ideas I don’t see how they will be hidden flush mount and then still fold out and down without coming into contact with the wall. Zero protrusion hinges would work but I just don’t feel comfortable letting them retain that kind of weight.
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Sometimes you have to have custom hardware made.
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The hinge point at Second floor level? that is where Rod through the top of the stair assembly goes, cables on lower stringer ends up to ceiling mounted Garage door counter spring(s) and cable winding drums.

To get your 80" top step head clearance, the top of the stairs has to be under the part of the loft with 6' 8" + vertical clearance.

The more "monkey" motion to hide the stairs, = more $$$ less reliable. IMHO.

You need a "landing" space at the bottom of the disappearing stairway too, realy cutting down on the places it can be hung in use if parallel the the rim joist of the loft.
A movable stair that just pushes up to vertical, would easiest with folding handrail, rollers at bottom riser, two wheel in a C channel from Second floor in use to +~6 feet when stored in plumb position? The ladder would block the stairway opening in the upstairs hand railing, when stored
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Sno, that's somewhat like the one I built. Mine has less moving parts.

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Nice stairs guys and they would work if I had to but I’m wanting to come out of the wall so I basically need twice as much degree of opening
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Guys gave you an idea of what they did.... use it and see if it will it work in your situation.
If you want something different and unique, it would have to be planned, designed and fabricated and that will cost you.
The information you provided I don't think anyone knows what you got there or what you have in mind other than a few ceiling heights.

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I guess not many remember Bessler Stairs

http://www.bessler.com/bessler-stair...0-attic-stairs
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Guys gave you an idea of what they did.... use it and see if it will it work in your situation.
If you want something different and unique, it would have to be planned, designed and fabricated and that will cost you.
The information you provided I don't think anyone knows what you got there or what you have in mind other than a few ceiling heights.

Good luck
a vertical wall mounted access “door”, that just lays out to become stairs that are covered with something like clapboard so it looks like just an accent wall when it is closed
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I would post pictures of what I mean but they won’t upload

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