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Old 03-13-2013, 01:46 PM   #21
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I remember back around 1995 I was in middle school and we spent a couple weeks in each of the shop classes that we would have an option of taking when we got into high school. Sort of like a sampler course that lasted the whole year where you got to try out 10 different shops. It was a really fantastic idea on the school's part and they we were given access to a full metal shop, wood shop, computer lab, graphic design studio, and an architecture studio complete with AutoCAD and a full scale plot printer. What an opportunity!
I definitely made the most of it by drawing dicks with my friends and thinking we were the funniest people ever to live.

Well played. Well played.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:42 PM   #22
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I remember back around 1995 I was in middle school and we spent a couple weeks in each of the shop classes that we would have an option of taking when we got into high school. Sort of like a sampler course that lasted the whole year where you got to try out 10 different shops. It was a really fantastic idea on the school's part and they we were given access to a full metal shop, wood shop, computer lab, graphic design studio, and an architecture studio complete with AutoCAD and a full scale plot printer. What an opportunity!
I definitely made the most of it by drawing dicks with my friends and thinking we were the funniest people ever to live.

Well played. Well played.
Simply too much information man.

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Simply too much information man.

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Wasn't too bad until the last paragraph, and the yeah too much info!
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They're called skeletons because you are supposed to leave them buried.
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I'm not a carpentry but my guess would be AutoCAD. It's crazy the amount of stuff that program can do. It's pretty common in machine shops but I don't mess with it, it's up to the engineers. I'll try to get a picture up of a maze that was drawn on AutoCad that I milled out of a block of aluminum to show what the program is capable of doing.

The place I work at machines and builds hydraulic motors for Caterpillar, John Deere, Case, and a bunch of other construction, agricultural, and mining vehicles and it's drawn on AutoCAD.

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Oh come on, like you people never drew a dick on anything. None of you saw Superbad?
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That awkward moment when you realize it was just you.
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Ahh ok, I thought that sounded familiar. Lol
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Google up Vectorworks 'Architect'.
I've been using it since '01 and love it.
Renderworks is worth the extra cost, as well.

You build with it, just as for real in 2d or 3d.

It kicks out frames and take-offs, easy win/door schedules and is all customizable.
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Second vote for Home Designer Pro by Cheif Arch, but if you're only doing book shelves and built ins google sketch up might be enough for you. I would stay away from Punch software's Home Design stuff, same price as Cheif Arch but not as good of software IMO.
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"I have never been embarrassed to state what might be self evident, so it will come as no surprise to suggest that the pencil and computer are, if left to their own devices, equally dumb and only as good as the person driving them". Norman Foster

No matter what you're using, the creativity is still going to come from your head.
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Yup.
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What do you want to do with it, how much are you going to use it, how much are you willing to pay, and how much time are you willing to put in to learning it?

Basic Sketchup is still free (I think), has a ton of free video tutorials, and if you follow those it's not too hard to pick up the skills. It's great for modeling, not so great for Construction Documents and details.

AutoCad is expensive, even AutoCad LT is around $1,000.00 and as mentioned has a steep learning curve. A good way to get up to speed on AutoCad is to take a class, if available as then when one gets stuck help is there. It can drive one crazy learning it but it is a wonderful program, extremely accurate and one can really crank on it after getting it down. It's unsurpassed for Construction Docs and anything that makes those up but not so good for modeling.

Never have tried Chief but have heard some good stuff about it. Not sure on the price or on the learning curve or how good and available are the tutorials. Looks like ScipioAfricanus could fill you in on the particulars of that program.

Left out Revit earlier. This is a BIM (Building Information Modeling) program, very powerful, steep learning curve, and expensive although it has come out with a light version which is about a grand. Haven't used it yet but heard it does a lot of stuff a normal Cad program won't do such as when updating one feature will update the other (change a window and the window schedule is updated, the framing plan shows the change, etc.). The full version has clash detection which is supposed to let you know when one element will clash with another (ducting too big for the space allowed for example). The whole time you're using this program you are designing in 3d.

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What do you want to do with it, how much are you going to use it, how much are you willing to pay, and how much time are you willing to put in to learning it?

Basic Sketchup is still free (I think), has a ton of free video tutorials, and if you follow those it's not too hard to pick up the skills. It's great for modeling, not so great for Construction Documents and details.

AutoCad is expensive, even AutoCad LT is around $1,000.00 and as mentioned has a steep learning curve. A good way to get up to speed on AutoCad is to take a class, if available as then when one gets stuck help is there. It can drive one crazy learning it but it is a wonderful program, extremely accurate and one can really crank on it after getting it down. It's unsurpassed for Construction Docs and anything that makes those up but not so good for modeling.

Never have tried Chief but have heard some good stuff about it. Not sure on the price or on the learning curve or how good and available are the tutorials. Looks like ScipioAfricanus could fill you in on the particulars of that program.
CA website shows their offerings and price. They also have many how to videos on the website for free and you can also purchase support with the software for any questions the videos can't answer.

http://www.chiefarchitect.com/home-designer-DIY/

As for taking a CAD class, (this is coming from someone who is a PE that couldnt sit behind a desk any longer and moved into the construction world), I would throw an ad out on craigslist and see what you get. A full blown semester class at a tech school will cost you a few grand and will consume a few hours of every week for 3-4 months. Any drafter or engineer out of college will know the in's and out's of the software and you could prob hire them for $10-$15 an hour to teach you how to use the software. Also, I took 3-4 classes in college from basic 2D CAD up to Pro-E and I learned more on my own playing around with the software and reading the provided books than I did in class.
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I see SoftPlan 2014 is out. I don't know much about it, but it looks pretty good?

http://www.softplan.com/
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I'm surprised there has been (other than myself), no mention of Vectorworks 'Architect'.
I think its fabulous!
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Beside being a GC/Renovator I am also a designer. I would have to say AutoCAD and Revit. Use 3DMax and Lumion for your renderings.

With Sketch-Up you can do some cool designs and quick but I've never been able to get the feel for it but if you can do it, you can do well.
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I just went out on my own as a carpenter/installer about a month ago and it seems like virtually every job I get the customer wants a fairly detailed design of the project. This makes total sense, but it's something I've never had to deal with being an employee for so many years. I just showed up and started working.
Since I never went to design skills and have no actual skills, and especially since I don't have a drafting table or tools, I think it's time I started learned a CAD program.
My wife is a designer and has most of them already installed on our computers.

So I put it to you gentlemen, if I were going to begin working on learning a CAD program, which do you feel would be most beneficial to somebody who designs and builds bookcases, built-ins, benches, etc?

Thanks for your time, gents.
I know I am going to make some people mad but dont go the Sketch-up route. I personally use Autodesk Architecture 2012. But I have been using AutoCAD for 24 years. BUT, if I wasn't into a subscription program with Autodesk I would go with Chief Architect for a residential design program. This IMO only!!!!

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Also, they are a lot of FREE CAD programs out there that are so much better than Sketch -Up. Too many for me to list here but if you will message me I will send you a list. (Particuly Solidworks free program; Draftsight.

Check this site out to get you started:

Top 5 free programs

Bear in mind these arent architecturally or "obejct" oriented software; they are generic CAD. But I have designed hundreds of houses, commercial and industrial buildings using "generic" AutoCAD v10 (DOS), v12 and v14 in the 90's well before architectural software had even come out.

This is just my opinion and experience

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