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Unread 03-13-2019, 10:56 AM   #1
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According to the second paragraph of this FHB magazine article,the profiles won't match for the angled and horizontal cyma. It states that in the past different stock moldings were available to accommodate various roof pitches. Now,you are on your own. How the heck would one ever guess what the correct profile should be to work with each other ?

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Take a scrap, make the angle cut, and that's the profile you need. Worse comes to worse, it's custom.

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That article confused me too. Are you going to build one that looks like that? I would design it myself. I've read a lot of Finehomebuilding articles that make little sense. I don't know if people edit these things or what. As already mentioned, on complex joints like that I always cut a piece of scrap then try it and keep adjusting my saw until I find out what fits. Sometimes doing the math doesn't work.
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We would have two different crowns on site, I think something like 5 3/4" for up the rake and 4 5/8" for the gutter edge. If you use the same size then the gutter edge crown would kick way out. even with the proper crowns there will always be some fudging of the miters.

The architect speced out the profiles on the print

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The proper profiles will be an exact match when mitered. Almost proper profiles will need tweaking. It's one if the few cases where having a molding plane with you could actually make sense.
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I've only had to deal with this once and it was a real pain. I used sketchup to figure out the different profiles, but was only supplied a one standard crown, so I used a combination of changing the bed angle of the crown, changed spring angle of sold blocking at the miter, fairing out the difference and some trim screws to tweak it to mate up. I had the luxury of it being 30 feet in the air though, so it would take an awful keen eye to see that I cheated.

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To answer your original question though, to figure out what the correct profile should be, you'd project the profile on the plane of the rake.

At the bottom of this thread, bellchippy shows how to project the profile of the rake to horizontal. Though it's on stairs, the same would apply for the cornice profile.
https://www.contractortalk.com/f13/t...e-level-80673/

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Maybe just hire a professional.

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Maybe just hire a professional.

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I fully intend to . However,as you can see,this is not for the faint of heart. Finding a professional familiar with this concept by me may be like trying to find a good nursing home. And I don't want to "visit" a bunch to find one. At least now I have the resources to point a quality guy in the correct direction. But thanks for the suggestion.


This type of architecture is not very common in my neck of the woods.
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https://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2013...-gyhr-details/

Eave Returns: Interpreting GYHR Details
by WM. TODD MURDOCK on DECEMBER 13, 2013
Co-written by Gary Katz

Over the years, several articles on eave returns have appeared in the Journal of Light Construction and Fine Homebuilding, and extensive discussions have occurred on website forums, too. But something about the details in those articles and discussions always seemed missing or confused. In 2007, Get Your House Right (GYHR) was published, and finally carpenters and architects had a reference that filled in the missing details and explained....
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https://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2013...-gyhr-details/

Eave Returns: Interpreting GYHR Details
by WM. TODD MURDOCK on DECEMBER 13, 2013
Co-written by Gary Katz

Over the years, several articles on eave returns have appeared in the Journal of Light Construction and Fine Homebuilding, and extensive discussions have occurred on website forums, too. But something about the details in those articles and discussions always seemed missing or confused. In 2007, Get Your House Right (GYHR) was published, and finally carpenters and architects had a reference that filled in the missing details and explained....

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