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1/12 scale model balsa wood? maybe 1/24 scale models.

I hope you charge the silly customers and designers for every minute of your time and all the wasted material.

I can't see how the building is compliant with any energy codes.

And question its ability to meet the letter and intent of the IBC.

A 12 foot by 80 foot trailer home has a more rational floor plan....

Have any of the structural connections been checked by wood building skilled licensed Engineer?

Wind loads? snow loads?

Its a money pit with little to negative resale value IMHO. A silly design taken to the Nth degree.

Cash the checks immediately, save some for a good lawyer if needed when the blame game comes out" you loaned how much for THIS?"....

The good news is the building owner should never have to pay much Property taxes from the building's low sale value.....

No insult intended to you or your abilities that you needed to build this one of kind as drawn.

your progress is impressive considering that it is completely one of kind of nearly every element.
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Next time on a hillside site, consider using a trailer mounted bottom slewing crane, plug in to 10 hp 240 circuit and can be run with a wireless controller, some of the bigger units can lift 2 ton anywhere in ~85' radius

I don't know if you need NCCO cert or not to run one...
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1/12 scale model balsa wood? maybe 1/24 scale models.

I hope you charge the silly customers and designers for every minute of your time and all the wasted material.

I can't see how the building is compliant with any energy codes.

And question its ability to meet the letter and intent of the IBC.

A 12 foot by 80 foot trailer home has a more rational floor plan....

Have any of the structural connections been checked by wood building skilled licensed Engineer?

Wind loads? snow loads?

Its a money pit with little to negative resale value IMHO. A silly design taken to the Nth degree.

Cash the checks immediately, save some for a good lawyer if needed when the blame game comes out" you loaned how much for THIS?"....

The good news is the building owner should never have to pay much Property taxes from the building's low sale value.....

No insult intended to you or your abilities that you needed to build this one of kind as drawn.

your progress is impressive considering that it is completely one of kind of nearly every element.


Thanks 4th.

You nailed it.

Itís all engineered.
Fully code compliant.

I made it clear during the first meeting that I follow the money, never the other way round.
Theyíve been good at staying just ahead of me.

They are decent folks. ....so far.
But I totally hear you about the blame game.

The architects have a vested interest in getting their baby built.
They are the main interface with the client (friends...) and Iím sure are acting as if itís no big deal to accomplish.....cuz they just donít know any better ...honestly.

I didnít design it.
I ainít gonna live in it.
Iím the guy trying to give them all what they want.
The first sign of ďblameĒ, I walk and build any one of the three customs waiting for me.
No sweat.

Theyíve ALL taken great care to acknowledge that they know we are working our asses off, and doing a great job....aside from their budgetary concerns.


Just gotta get through the frame.
The rest is just business as usual.
Wire doesnít care if it runs through a radiused corner.....

Crane is a cool idea.
Thanks.
But I need a machine that does many things.
The big Lull is the best fit.


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Interesting build. Nice Job. Hope you don't get heavy snow loads there. I might be crazy but doesn't look suited to that
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Interesting build. Nice Job. Hope you don't get heavy snow loads there. I might be crazy but doesn't look suited to that
It's stamped.
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Interesting build. Nice Job. Hope you don't get heavy snow loads there. I might be crazy but doesn't look suited to that


I think thatís one reason why the Engineer specíd so many shear walls on this thing.
Iím going to keep track of how many nails we shot into the wall sheathing...a LOT.

The forces created by the skewed ridges drove us nuts while framing.

Each ďpodĒ wants to rack and twist in ways we are not used to when dealing with ďnormalĒ structures.
Push or pull one thing.....three others move with it.

Iím going to admit that a few of our walls arenít perfectly plumb.
Drives me crazy....but the amount of bracing to the exterior of the house that would have been required would have made it impossible to function efficiently.
Add the height of the walls, not being able to really connect the pods till we tackled the radiused corners, and trying to maintain a reasonable budget....I had to let minor things go. ()


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Maybe sheating before standing would have helped the twisting.

I can't imagine this was a candidate for final plumb with a sledge.

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Maybe sheating before standing would have helped the twisting.

I can't imagine this was a candidate for final plumb with a sledge.


No way we could have done that based on the way it had to built.

Impossible for so many reasons.

I wish though.


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No way we could have done that based on the way it had to built.

Impossible for so many reasons.

I wish though.


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Oh it's possible, but practical? Nah not really. Take a very knowledgeable carpenter that knew cad, 3D and how to actually frame it. And account for all the variables on the way with daily-real time adjustments in the 3D models to generate measurements. And that guy would piss off every other carpenter on the job.

Awesome outcome! you pulled it off and pulled it off well. Congrats!
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Oh it's possible, but practical? Nah not really. Take a very knowledgeable carpenter that knew cad, 3D and how to actually frame it. And account for all the variables on the way with daily-real time adjustments in the 3D models to generate measurements. And that guy would piss off every other carpenter on the job.



Awesome outcome! you pulled it off and pulled it off well. Congrats!

Thanks!
I appreciate it.

If I would have gotten involved during the design/modeling phase....it would have been not only possible, but everything could have been much more efficient.

By the time I got the Rhino CAD files and found the flaws in the modeling, it was too late.
Whoever modeled it had little to no clue of proper framing techniques, and at that point I couldnít pump the brakes.

Lesson learned.

If I had to do it again, I would pull the plug and put much more time and effort into preparation.
(But you know.....keeping guys busy takes precedence sometimes)


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Nice looking work!!!

also nice to see a clean jobsite....

looks like quite a project.

roofers will have fun...
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You didn't have to carve out bottom plates for the radius walls?

Looks very good, a whole lot of detail work in that one.

I'm feeling sorry for the sheet rock guys. The clean up guy mostly, there's gonna be a lot of scraps.....
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Mom said we could stay up late, so tell us how you curved the plywood on those walls Daddy.
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What an odd looking thing.

I have one question, why?

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Metal lathe and Plaster.

Any need for a tension tie through the rolled ridges/ dual ridge rafters?

A wire, strap, or rod fastened (under stress,(adjusted after roof system installed?)) between each,or so ever other, opposing roof rafter, to keep the ridge from "flattening" out/down?

Hind sight wise the rooms are just out of square walls under shed roofs, with the over hangs sawn off.....weeks late and several dollars short...

Excellent work, Looks exactly like the Plans.....for better or worse.

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